Recall - 2017-2019 RT and F3 Engine Output Shaft Can Break!

[Ex-Rocket]

According to the born-on date of 3/2017 on my 2017 F3 Limited, mine will be on the list.

 

[Freddy]

The NHTSA report says on 5% overall of bikes in the years in the recall were affected. Looks like some 2017s, all 2018s, and just a few 2019s if I read it correctly.

5% affected by shaft break or fitted with a suspect shaft? So the other 95% are to be done anyway? Very curious that the link below seems to be the second report of failure on this forum.

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...-Belt-Tension-questions&p=1685865#post1685865

I wondered if BRP are considering sending out a complete Transmission unit as a direct replacement as it may save them high Labour costs and possible downtime for those owners affected by the recall
Hopefully this would be a swap out rather than a rebuild on existing Spyders
One thing that may be a worry is the quality and availability of dealers that can carry out the work
We just need to see what BRP proposed action will be

Certainly possible with the separate transmission case.

https://www.ktmhobart.com.au/partFinder/fiche/canam/2017/rt/gearbox-housing-se6#next

 

[Allen42]

According to the born-on date of 3/2017 on my 2017 F3 Limited, mine will be on the list.

I don't read when the change happened exactly for the 2017 models, but since almost half of them were affected, but being towards the end of the run, you are probably correct (assuming that the 5707 bikes affected in 2018 represent a whole year's run.)

I have to go to my dealer to get it inspected before by registration renewal; I'll have him look my VIN up.

 

[BajaRon]

I agree Ron. And that's my problem at the same time. I'm trying to sell my 2018. Do I say anything to prospective buyers. Do I wait until the bike is fixed? With knowing how long it took to get replacement drive sprockets in peoples hands this may take a year or two to be resolved.
As I mentioned in my first post I wasn't aware of a problem, let alone one big enough to cause Can Am to address the situation on their own. Even a casual reader of this forum had to be aware of the drive sprocket problem.

This is definitely a problem. And I am not trying to diminish the issues this will create for some. Apparently, there is an expected percentage of shafts subject to breakage. Though the overall number will be a small percentage of the total. There is no way to determine which ones will fail. So, all need to be replaced. Just like the sprocket campaign. Most would never have failed. But which ones? It's a bit like Russian Roulette. Which is a 1 in 6 chance. Whereas this repair appears to be more in the range of a 1 in 20 chance, if speculation is accurate.

The odds are much better. But who wants to play? Not many.

I don't have any answers for you because BRP doesn't have any projections yet. I'd say they are looking at everything from metallurgy to shaft dimensions. Though a change in dimension would certainly be the more expensive path.

You could certainty convey what you know to a perspective buyer. Unfortunately, that's not much. Right now, it's nothing more than a promise with no plan or timeline for fulfillment. Not much in the way of incentive to buy, I'm afraid.

 

[BertRemington]

BR - do you think it would be worthwhile to send MeudtPG's output shaft to a metallurgical laboratory for analysis? I'm thinking it might help us scope the problem and better understand BRP's decision difficulties. Even though I'm not directly affected, I am indirectly (BRP's future) so will donate $100 towards that analysis.

Data is good to have even if it isn't your friend.

Ps: gotta go, its beer cat time, and they're anxious.

 

[Freddy]

First report of this failure on this forum seems to be here.

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...ermediate-shaft-broken&highlight=broken+shaft

 

[Mikey]

I agree Ron. And that's my problem at the same time. I'm trying to sell my 2018. Do I say anything to prospective buyers. Do I wait until the bike is fixed? With knowing how long it took to get replacement drive sprockets in peoples hands this may take a year or two to be resolved.
As I mentioned in my first post I wasn't aware of a problem, let alone one big enough to cause Can Am to address the situation on their own. Even a casual reader of this forum had to be aware of the drive sprocket problem.

How bad do you want to sell it? I would say the cat's out of the bag now, and you may have some soul searching going forward. If you have one in that bunch of numbers, then you may have a paper weight if the buyer has any knowledge of what their buying. If BRP stands up and fixes all of the affected bikes like they said they would, then there will be no problem!! The only bad part is the everyone that has to go through this headache will lose their ride for a while. :banghead:

 

[BajaRon]

BRP definitely has a can of worms going with this one. It would be very good if they got this cleared up post-haste. But based on the much simpler front sprocket process. I'm not optimistic. I hope I am very wrong in that.

 

[AVBIZ]

I agree Ron. And that's my problem at the same time. I'm trying to sell my 2018. Do I say anything to prospective buyers. Do I wait until the bike is fixed? With knowing how long it took to get replacement drive sprockets in peoples hands this may take a year or two to be resolved.
As I mentioned in my first post I wasn't aware of a problem, let alone one big enough to cause Can Am to address the situation on their own. Even a casual reader of this forum had to be aware of the drive sprocket problem.

You’re probably looking at discounting at least 20% to even be considered against non affected similar year/equipped units. A prospective buyer would be buying into a real hassle. I would fix then sell.

 

[Allen42]

Interesting... when I go to look up my VIN, I get the message below. I bought the bike in January here in Texas.

I double checked my dealer records against the bike's sticker, the VIN is correct.

 

[Snoking1127]

Both of my 2018s show this recall incomplete!

 

[Mikey]

Interesting... when I go to look up my VIN, I get the message below. I bought the bike in January here in Texas.

I double checked my dealer records against the bike's sticker, the VIN is correct.

They do not want a bunch of hot owners plugging their phone lines up; they want you to go totally through the dealer for this!! Not surprised to see that.

 

[Allen42]

They do not want a bunch of hot owners plugging their phone lines up; they want you to go totally through the dealer for this!! Not surprised to see that.

That was BRP's generic VIN search tool, not specific to this recall. I think that message indicates that BRP doesn't know anything about my bike... which is disturbing.

 

[rjinaz86323]

If BRP stands up and fixes all of the affected bikes like they said they would, then there will be no problem!!

It is an NHTSA recall. They have no choice but to fix it.

Since it is only a small percentage of units, they should have a solution already, as they can use the same part that they used for the not affected units.

 

[Freddy]

Is 8721 a small percentage? BRP were dragged in kicking and screaming after 1 unfortunate owner reported the safety issue related to loss of motion due to shaft breakage as stated in the NHTSA Cronology section and linked earlier in this thread.

 

[stmike 1800]

My bike is a 2018 but did not get anything from BRP in regard to a recall.

 

[Allen42]

My bike is a 2018 but did not get anything from BRP in regard to a recall.

The NHTSA reports says dealers are getting notified now, and owner notifications will go out in November.

 

[Freddy]

Here it is for Australia, only 479 to be done. :yikes:

https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-006121

 

[YIRYDE]

The Australia recall starts with model year 2016, wonder why here it starts with model year 2017. It also includes the VIN’s.

 

[racoon]

The Australia recall starts with model year 2016, wonder why here it starts with model year 2017. It also includes the VIN’s.

A quick check with Google, and there are different standards for VIN numbers. And yes, it appears the USA uses it's own standard.

There are two known international standards for VIN – the ISO and the U.S. Standard FMVSS 115. The ISO covers all areas to ensure quality standards across the globe. With regards to the automobile industry, the ISO standard is set to help minimise and prevent crimes involving vehicles, with theft being the number one. ISO supplies the CRIN (Car Radio Identification Numbers) to prevent theft and to advocate standardisation of areas involving vehicle safety.

The US Standard comes in different formats from the ISO. It is covered by a wider bill on safety which includes driver safety, crash safety and road-worthiness.

Here in Australia, we follow the ISO 3779 VIN.

https://www.evofilmshop.com/carmodel