Rear wheel clicking

[Amanda B]

Okay, so I had the rear wheel powder coated and put on today along with the sprocket cover. Now, when I push the bike in reverse it clicks, but it doesn't do it when I push it forward. I don't know what it does when it is running because the micron pipe is too loud. Any ideas what might cause this? I noticed the belt isn't quite as straight on the track like it was before. Could this cause it or would it possibly be something else?

Also, I can't get my break lights to work. They light up, they just don't get brighter when I apply the break. What wiring do I need to look at?

 

[Neez]

Okay, so I had the rear wheel powder coated and put on today along with the sprocket cover. Now, when I push the bike in reverse it clicks, but it doesn't do it when I push it forward. I don't know what it does when it is running because the micron pipe is too loud. Any ideas what might cause this? I noticed the belt isn't quite as straight on the track like it was before. Could this cause it or would it possibly be something else?

Also, I can't get my break lights to work. They light up, they just don't get brighter when I apply the break. What wiring do I need to look at?

Amanda, the brake light switch is a cam operated microswitch which is located just below the front of the brake pedal. It is not adjustable, but check it for operation, and check the wiring between it and the brake light, using a 12v test light.

 

[Amanda B]

Clicking and lights

Amanda, the brake light switch is a cam operated microswitch which is located just below the front of the brake pedal. It is not adjustable, but check it for operation, and check the wiring between it and the brake light, using a 12v test light.

I believe it has to do with the Scorpio alarm that was installed. There was a plug on the left side near the break area that was unplugged, I fixed that. Still no go!

ALSO, I FOUND A COTTER PIN (two actually one probably from the old tire and the other came with the new back tire) on my garage floor. Would that be the reason for the clicking? It's obviously not where it is supposed to be?

 

[Amanda B]

Amanda, the brake light switch is a cam operated microswitch which is located just below the front of the brake pedal. It is not adjustable, but check it for operation, and check the wiring between it and the brake light, using a 12v test light.

Okay, I will look around that area.

 

[groundeffect]

ALSO, I FOUND A COTTER PIN (two actually) on my garage floor. Would that be the reason for the clicking? It's obviously not where it is supposed to be?

Finding cotter pins are not a good thing.:yikes:. Ok... I'm not sure about where they are on the rear wheel assembly - Where did you find the cotter pins - up front of the bike or near the rear wheel? I know that there are (3 or 4???) per front wheel, they are easy to see (at least easy to see their locations if they are not installed and have fallen off), because you can see a tiny hole in rod ends where they should be. Need to find out where they came from and I would not ride until I found where they should be, and replace them. Not sure if you have the shop manual, but it clearly shows the pins in the front assembly, at least, and I would assume the rear assembly also.

Hope that helps, but sorry I can't provide a picture and pin point the cotter pin locations at this time. - Any else out there able to do this?
Cheers.

 

[Amanda B]

Finding cotter pins are not a good thing.:yikes:. Ok... I'm not sure about where they are on the rear wheel assembly - Where did you find the cotter pins - up front of the bike or near the rear wheel? I know that there are (3 or 4???) per front wheel, they are easy to see (at least easy to see their locations if they are not installed and have fallen off), because you can see a tiny hole in rod ends where they should be. Need to find out where they came from and I would not ride until I found where they should be, and replace them. Not sure if you have the shop manual, but it clearly shows the pins in the front assembly, at least, and I would assume the rear assembly also.

Hope that helps, but sorry I can't provide a picture and pin point the cotter pin locations at this time. - Any else out there able to do this?
Cheers.

No problem. I actually have the install instructions. Fortunately, when changing the back wheel it is one of the last things to install so hopefully I can have my brother get it in there. Do you think that would cause the clicking? It is most definitely for the rear wheel.

There is one more concerning thing. When I turn the bike off it has the red exclamation point on with a beep. In the past it did that only if I forgot the emergency break. Now when I apply the emergency break, it still beeps for a bit.

 

[groundeffect]

No problem. I actually have the install instructions. Fortunately, when changing the back wheel it is one of the last things to install so hopefully I can have my brother get it in there. Do you think that would cause the clicking? It is most definitely for the rear wheel.

Yes, if could be the cause of the clicking - when it was installed - but I'm not sure it could be if it was not installed. For example, if it was installed and the pin ends were not quite wrapped once out the other side of the hole if could catch on something.

There is one more concerning thing. When I turn the bike off it has the red exclamation point on with a beep. In the past it did that only if I forgot the emergency break. Now when I apply the emergency break, it still beeps for a bit.

You must have the SE5, correct? Yeah, that beep and (!) as I understand it also, is the reminder that your parking brake is engaged. At this time you'll likely see 'Parking Brake' scroll on the cluster also. There is a switch just above the parking brake peddle (you have better view and access to it with the lower panel removed), and once this peddle is down (i.e.: parking brake peddle down and holding the bike in place for parking), it pulls the switch that enables the beep, the (!) and the 'parking brake' message on the cluster.

It may be possible your parking brake needs to be adjusted, or perhaps the switch needs a quick look (perhaps tighten, check spring on peddle?). The switch is on the left side near the parking brake peddle. However, since work was done recently on your rear wheel, I would be inclined to check that side of the parking brake cable first - it's on the right hand side of the bike, just below your pipe. Be sure there is enough movement in that side of the parking brake assembly such that it can be released properly when the parking brake peddle on the left side is completely sprung back up. May need another person to manoeuvre the peddle while you check out the movement and range on the other side of the bike. Not sure about the clicking, by at least you have a few things to check which may be the cause (parking brake cable and assembly, cotter pins - get those installed before riding, and I would also do a once over the rear brake assembly - are the pads touching all the time - if you raise the rear wheel off the ground does it rotate fairly freely in neutral?

That is where I would look, given the information we know so far. However, you mentioned the rear brake lights - that makes me think two possible things to check; 1) perhaps the brake lights are actually on and you don't know the difference since they are already bright - check the brake switch. 2) It is possible to have some electrical issue causing the brake lights and the parking brakes to show (!) and emit that beep?

Either way, I hope these suggestions help.
Interesting post, please keep us posted!
Thanks and good luck, looking forward to your next post!
Dean

 

[Amanda B]

Yes, if could be the cause of the clicking - when it was installed - but I'm not sure it could be if it was not installed. For example, if it was installed and the pin ends were not quite wrapped once out the other side of the hole if could catch on something.






You must have the SE5, correct? Yeah, that beep and (!) as I understand it also, is the reminder that your parking brake is engaged. At this time you'll likely see 'Parking Brake' scroll on the cluster also. There is a switch just above the parking brake peddle (you have better view and access to it with the lower panel removed), and once this peddle is down (i.e.: parking brake peddle down and holding the bike in place for parking), it pulls the switch that enables the beep, the (!) and the 'parking brake' message on the cluster.

It may be possible your parking brake needs to be adjusted, or perhaps the switch needs a quick look (perhaps tighten, check spring on peddle?). The switch is on the left side near the parking brake peddle. However, since work was done recently on your rear wheel, I would be inclined to check that side of the parking brake cable first - it's on the right hand side of the bike, just below your pipe. Be sure there is enough movement in that side of the parking brake assembly such that it can be released properly when the parking brake peddle on the left side is completely sprung back up. May need another person to manoeuvre the peddle while you check out the movement and range on the other side of the bike. Not sure about the clicking, by at least you have a few things to check which may be the cause (parking brake cable and assembly, cotter pins - get those installed before riding, and I would also do a once over the rear brake assembly - are the pads touching all the time - if you raise the rear wheel off the ground does it rotate fairly freely in neutral?

That is where I would look, given the information we know so far. However, you mentioned the rear brake lights - that makes me think two possible things to check; 1) perhaps the brake lights are actually on and you don't know the difference since they are already bright - check the brake switch. 2) It is possible to have some electrical issue causing the brake lights and the parking brakes to show (!) and emit that beep?

Either way, I hope these suggestions help.
Interesting post, please keep us posted!
Thanks and good luck, looking forward to your next post!
Dean

I'm thinking, since I also replaced the peg brackets (had them powder coated black) that I need to check the switch for both the parking break and the tail lights in that area. When I looked at the owners manual it said the beeping and exclamation was for the parking break only, and I assume if I put it on but the computer doesn't sense it it will continue to beep, so my guess is that is why it is continuing to beep, it is not sensing that it is on. It also seems that since the tail lights work, they just don't get brighter when the breaks are on, that it is probably the same issue, the switch. I tend to believe that is probably the case, because it is the same issue essentially on each side, it just effects different components and I think it's logical to assume he would make the same mistake on each side. I just am not sure what I am looking for when I am looking for a switch??

 

[groundeffect]

I'm thinking, since I also replaced the peg brackets (had them powder coated black) that I need to check the switch for both the parking break and the tail lights in that area. When I looked at the owners manual it said the beeping and exclamation was for the parking break only, and I assume if I put it on but the computer doesn't sense it it will continue to beep, so my guess is that is why it is continuing to beep, it is not sensing that it is on. It also seems that since the tail lights work, they just don't get brighter when the breaks are on, that it is probably the same issue, the switch. I tend to believe that is probably the case, because it is the same issue essentially on each side, it just effects different components and I think it's logical to assume he would make the same mistake on each side. I just am not sure what I am looking for when I am looking for a switch??

When looking for a swtich you're looking for a lever attached to a wire. Wire leading back to the Spyder computer, as the lever is in different positions (on or off - lever up or down for example) it indicates to provide a beep/light or warning, or nothing etc... They are usually pretty small, but close to the component in question.

For example, if you look at the right side foot brake peddle, the switch/lever for the brake light switch is just behind the peddle itself and slightly above, but connected to the brake arm or very close, since it has to sense it's position. If you have the engine off and manual move the peddle you should hear a click, that is the level (when installed correctly). Same with the parking brake switch, it is close to the parking brake peddle, but you may need to remove the lower panels to get a good view and work on it.


To be honest, if whoever took the rear wheel off and did not consider the switches, I could take the lower panels off to be sure things are up to par. Cotter pins coming off is NOT a good thing, which may or may not be related to the rear wheel work (likely is though). I would go over things related to the entire rear wheel assembly, not just the switches for brake lights, to be sure they are safe and in good working order. Through all of this be sure your rear brakes are not dragging on the disc, but are still operational - ie: get the rear wheel off the ground and rotate it in neutral and apply the brake to check for operation.


Good luck finding the switches and checking them out. Check to see they can operate and change position off/on, etc...

Hope that helps.
Cheers.
Dean

 

[Amanda B]

When looking for a swtich you're looking for a lever attached to a wire. Wire leading back to the Spyder computer, as the lever is in different positions (on or off - lever up or down for example) it indicates to provide a beep/light or warning, or nothing etc... They are usually pretty small, but close to the component in question.

For example, if you look at the right side foot brake peddle, the switch/lever for the brake light switch is just behind the peddle itself and slightly above, but connected to the brake arm or very close, since it has to sense it's position. If you have the engine off and manual move the peddle you should hear a click, that is the level (when installed correctly). Same with the parking brake switch, it is close to the parking brake peddle, but you may need to remove the lower panels to get a good view and work on it.


To be honest, if whoever took the rear wheel off and did not consider the switches, I could take the lower panels off to be sure things are up to par. Cotter pins coming off is NOT a good thing, which may or may not be related to the rear wheel work (likely is though). I would go over things related to the entire rear wheel assembly, not just the switches for brake lights, to be sure they are safe and in good working order. Through all of this be sure your rear brakes are not dragging on the disc, but are still operational - ie: get the rear wheel off the ground and rotate it in neutral and apply the brake to check for operation.


Good luck finding the switches and checking them out. Check to see they can operate and change position off/on, etc...

Hope that helps.
Cheers.
Dean

Will check it out when it warms up a bit today. The cotter pin, I believe was forgotten, I don't believe that it fell out. I will also check the break pads later today as well. It's just a little chilly here right now in the garage, and I'm tired because I woke up early knowing what the thing was I found on the floor (the cotter pin). I think I was processing the problems in my sleep last night.

I think the clicking might be the belt needing to be aligned, it seems a little off. I am going to try to trouble shoot a bit myself since I'm off this week, and then probably have my friend help me trailer it in to have things fixed/checked.

 

[groundeffect]

Ah, good point indeed, - the belt could be the source of the click. But if it is, just by rolling it back, it is in need of adjustment, now. Good idea on the use of the trailer.

Cheers and good luck.

Will check it out when it warms up a bit today. The cotter pin, I believe was forgotten, I don't believe that it fell out. I will also check the break pads later today as well. It's just a little chilly here right now in the garage, and I'm tired because I woke up early knowing what the thing was I found on the floor (the cotter pin). I think I was processing the problems in my sleep last night.

I think the clicking might be the belt needing to be aligned, it seems a little off. I am going to try to trouble shoot a bit myself since I'm off this week, and then probably have my friend help me trailer it in to have things fixed/checked.

 

[Amanda B]

BTW

What is the GS model versus the RS model? I thought the models were called RS and RT?? GS?

 

[bjt]

What is the GS model versus the RS model? I thought the models were called RS and RT?? GS?

GS is the designation of the first spyders they came out with (2008, 2009 model year). When they came out with the RT, they started calling the sportier model 2010 Spyders an RS.

 

[Amanda B]

I FOUND THE CLICKING!

The wire that goes to the tail light wasn't put in properly and it is dragging on the tire. When I lifted it up and rolled the spyder back it didn't do it any more! At least that is an easy fix. Does anyone have a side picture of that wire as it should be? Is it hidden by the fender brackets?

The emergency break isn't working at all now. It isn't catching. If I take my bike in it's gone for two weeks! So, I hope my brother and I can get it tonight instead.

 

[Amanda B]

Wow...all is good!

Everything is fixed, except I have highway pegs to install. The clicking was the wire rubbing the rear wheel. Groundeffect, I saw your picture of the wire, and mine was the same it just needed a zip tie!

The emergency break and rear break needed lubed and there was one area I had to plug in which he forgot to do.

As far as the cotter pin, I pulled the axle cap off and it was in there. I don't know why I found two on my garage floor?? Who knows!

I was actually able to go for a short ride today! My first of the season/year! Around my first turn a sprocket I lost fell out, had to loop around and get it!

 

[groundeffect]

The wire that goes to the tail light wasn't put in properly and it is dragging on the tire. When I lifted it up and rolled the spyder back it didn't do it any more! At least that is an easy fix. Does anyone have a side picture of that wire as it should be? Is it hidden by the fender brackets?

The emergency break isn't working at all now. It isn't catching. If I take my bike in it's gone for two weeks! So, I hope my brother and I can get it tonight instead.

My Spyder was the same way when I took delivery. One of things I noticed after going over the PDI checking and my own lists of items before I really started riding my spyder:
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17092


The wire should be in a black clip down a little from the top of the fender. get a flash light and you'll see it down a few inches. It has to go up under the black metal clip to hold it in place. I also zip tied mine as a secondary safety measure.

hope that helps.
Cheers.

 

[groundeffect]

As far as the cotter pin, I pulled the axle cap off and it was in there. I don't know why I found two on my garage floor?? Who knows!

not sure if you checked the front cotter pins on the front wheel assembly - I think there are 3 or 4 on each side, best check both front wheels to be sure all cotter pins are installed as normal.

hope that helps.

 

[Amanda B]

not sure if you checked the front cotter pins on the front wheel assembly - I think there are 3 or 4 on each side, best check both front wheels to be sure all cotter pins are installed as normal.

hope that helps.

He didn't do anything to the front wheels, those were already installed. So, I'm wondering if he brought a few himself.

 

[ataDude]

He didn't do anything to the front wheels, those were already installed. So, I'm wondering if he brought a few himself.

Check the rear brake linkage up by your new black driver's foot peg mounts.

 

[Amanda B]

Check the rear brake linkage up by your new black driver's foot peg mounts.

I am looking at this parts list, is there another name for cotter pin? I am trying to figure out where I'm looking for the pin to go.