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Rear tire disappointment - OEM Tire worn out already!

Hello DGoebel,
When I saw your rear tire photo, I realized it was just like my first rear tire, a factory Kenda. If you remember, what tire pressure were you using? Or were you using the BRP-recommended 28, psi? Do you usually ride double?

I just bought a new-to-me 2021 RTL with 5380 miles on it's original Kenda and I'm trying to decide on a TP that will NOT wear out the middle first, like yours has done and my first tire did.
Regards, Patrick
 
Hello DGoebel,
When I saw your rear tire photo, I realized it was just like my first rear tire, a factory Kenda. If you remember, what tire pressure were you using? Or were you using the BRP-recommended 28, psi? Do you usually ride double?

I just bought a new-to-me 2021 RTL with 5380 miles on it's original Kenda and I'm trying to decide on a TP that will NOT wear out the middle first, like yours has done and my first tire did.
Regards, Patrick

I study tires for Spyders ... Vredestein is the best, then the Altimax ... and the tire I bought because it was really close to those others - it is from RIKEN - model HR, in 251/60-15 and it's only $85 at tire rack .... Mike :thumbup:
 
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When I had my 2014 RTSE6 (Sold last year) my rear tire was a Kenda, and I changed the rear at 4,824 miles. I put on a General Altimax RT43 and I got about 26,000 miles on the rear tire.

My current Spyder 2023 F3 LTD Special Series has 4,824 miles on the OEM tires.

Deanna
 
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Hello DGoebel,
When I saw your rear tire photo, I realized it was just like my first rear tire, a factory Kenda. If you remember, what tire pressure were you using? Or were you using the BRP-recommended 28, psi? Do you usually ride double?

I just bought a new-to-me 2021 RTL with 5380 miles on it's original Kenda and I'm trying to decide on a TP that will NOT wear out the middle first, like yours has done and my first tire did.
Regards, Patrick

You could run zero pressure in the rear Kenda, if that were possible, and it would make little difference in the tread wear pattern. The problem is not tire pressure, it is poor, weak construction. There isn't enough rigidity in the rear tire across the span of the tread to retain a flat surface against the centrifugal force created by the spinning mass at highway speeds. In short, the tire balloons out and you're riding on 2.5~3 inches of rubber at speed. Possibly, if you keep your speeds low enough over the life of the tire (maybe 20 or 25 mph) you might get even tread wear. But beyond this, it is what it is. A very poorly constructed product. And we're not even talking about those that are lumpy, out of round, and the high added weight requirements to balance them.

There are happy Kenda users out there, and more power to them. But the cure is a quality 'Car' tire.
 
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In 50+ year of riding, I never got more than 12K on a motorcycle rear tire, 15K sounds pretty good to me,

While your observation of the average motorcycle tire is accurate. The Spyder isn't a motorcycle (Not withstanding the legal pigeon hole it's been put into). Nor does it run a motorcycle tire. That is why it isn't unreasonable to compare tire wear on a Spyder to tire wear on a car.

Comparing tire wear on the Spyder's 8.5" wide flat tread to the maybe 3/4 to 1 inch wide contact patch on a rounded motorcycle tire is not Apples to Apples.

When you add in the fact that you can easily get a tire that will give you about twice the service life for about the same cost, it isn't a hard decision.
 
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In 50+ year of riding, I never got more than 12K on a motorcycle rear tire, 15K sounds pretty good to me,

I had over 20K on my rear Quatrac when I was rear ended and still probably had enough tread left for another 20k.

This is a picture of it before they replaced it with a kenda during the repair. I already wore out the Kenda with less than 6k and replaced it with another Quatrac a couple of weeks ago.

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.... I'm trying to decide on a TP that will NOT wear out the middle first, like yours has done and my first tire did.

There ain't one.

:agree: NOT for the Kendas, anyway!! :shocked:



NOTHING you can (reasonably &/or safely!) do with their tire pressure will stop the OEM Kendas (or any of their clones!) from wearing out in the middle Well, nothing short of never driving them much over 35 mph (see previous 'reasonably &/or safely' comment! :p ) and even then, there's a very good chance that the OEM Kendas will still wear excessively in the middle of the tread!! :gaah: :banghead:


As others have already mentioned, that wear is a feature of their lightweight construction; their size; the rim they're fitted onto; and the way the middle of the tire balloons out once the road speed they are running at increases!! :cus:

If you want to avoid having your rear tire rapidly wear out the tread in the middle of the tire, then you'll need to toss the OEM Kenda and fit a better quality, stronger, longer lasting, better performing in all respects, Aftermarket Car Tire and run it at an appropriate (lower) pressure for the (lighter) load a Spyder places on it, vs the load a car would place on it! :lecturef_smilie:

Sorry, but there is currently no other readily available/doable option that might help you avoid that tread wear pattern on an OEM Kenda! :rolleyes:



Just Sayin' - Again! :thumbup:
 
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Hello Pete,
I'm completely sold on the car tire. I had a General Altamax rear tire on my 2014 when I traded it. Thought you might find interesting the tire tread monitoring chart I began to use after I installed the General tire on the rear. I must confess, though, I was not trending towards the delightfully high mileage on the General tire before I traded the 2014. If it continued on the trend I was seeing, I wasn't projecting more than 15k at best.
Patrick
 

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Hello Pete,
I'm completely sold on the car tire. I had a General Altamax rear tire on my 2014 when I traded it. Thought you might find interesting the tire tread monitoring chart I began to use after I installed the General tire on the rear. I must confess, though, I was not trending towards the delightfully high mileage on the General tire before I traded the 2014. If it continued on the trend I was seeing, I wasn't projecting more than 15k at best.
Patrick

Tire wear, like brake pad wear, is not linear. As the tire wears down the wear rate decreases. Early tire wear is greater than it will be later in the tire's life cycle. So you can't accurately extrapolate tire tread life based upon early readings. In other words, when you have 1/2 of the tread gone, you still have more than 1/2 of the total mileage that the tire will run.
 
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Tire wear, like brake pad wear, is not linear. As the tire wears down the wear rate decreases. Early tire wear is greater than it will be later in the tire's life cycle. So you can't accurately extrapolate tire tread life based upon early readings. In other words, when you have 1/2 of the tread gone, you still have more than 1/2 of the total mileage that the tire will run.

:agree: - for most tires anyway! And the tendency of the tread depth to 'pack down' thru its initial use doesn't help that either - it makes it look like your tire's 1/4 worn in just the first couple of thousand miles when the reality is that there's actually been very little wear/loss of tread material, it's just compressed the tread layers a tad, cos it's started being used & is now carrying a load!! :rolleyes:

However, there are a few tires where the way the manufacturers have built up the various layers of tread & vary the compound etc, somewhat differently to others, and some of those tires seemingly take aaaaggggess to start to wear, then seemingly suddenly, the tread just starts to peel off! :shocked: There was a time when Continentals had a bit of a reputation for this, and some Michelins too! And there are some other brands & types of tires that work the other way, too! Not so much lately tho, the materials used & the construction/manufacturing processes tend to make that less of an issue, but there are still some manufacturers out there that deliberately build one or the other of those wear patterns into some of their tires, and a few where it still happens purely as a result of 'less than ideal' manufacturing processes or a lack of quality control! ;)

Regardless, you've gotta look after your tires from when they're first fitted; and that includes running them at or at least near the right pressures for the load from the word GO!! Running them at too high of a pressure 'until you start to see the abnormal/undesired tread wear pattern' is a mistake, maybe even self-fulfilling prophecy!! :banghead: Do that, and you WILL have started the wear pattern that'll be virtually impossible to safely change much at all; at least, not without shaving the tire & losing LOTS of potential tread life in the process! :gaah:
 
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Close to 17K on rear oem tire and good for a few more miles. about what i got out of the Harleys i had. just saying...
 
Close to 17K on rear oem tire and good for a few more miles. about what i got out of the Harleys i had. just saying...

You need to get in touch with Guinness Book of World Records! Yours is more than twice the average. Can we get a picture?
 
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just ordered a kenda kanine for the rear of my f3. will see how long that lasts. the stock kenda i got 20,000 km out of it. the fronts are still good thread but i think i will replace them as well.
 
just ordered a kenda kanine for the rear of my f3. will see how long that lasts. the stock kenda i got 20,000 km out of it. the fronts are still good thread but i think i will replace them as well.

I would be very interested in what you think of the Kanine rear tire.
 
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