Quick and Painless!

[BajaRon]

Like Lamont has already posted. We got our Spyders "Updated" today.

It was quick (very quick) and painless.

There were 2 bikes ahead of us in the "Fix-It" line. Don't know what was wrong with them but they were still sitting there when we left. So Alcoa Good Times got us in and out.

I have been very happy with Alcoa Good Times dealership. The service manager and the owner, and everyone else I've met there have been great people.

Anyway, I went for a quick stroll through the dealership. And by the time I got back I heard Lamont fire his Spyder up and ride it out of the service bay. Mine was already done! (I think my Parts Bike was the Canary for this one). It may have taken 20 minutes for both bikes.

You guys got Lamont all nervous about doing this upgrade. But it was a piece of cake.

One thing I noticed in the dealership was a big ad on the Spyder saying it qualified for the Stimulus Money/Rebate. I assume that is the Cash for Clunkers. I forgot to ask the owner when we talked to him.

Both the service manager and the owner said the only thing they are selling much of is the Spyder and they are selling well. They only have 2 left and one was sitting there with a "Sold" tag on it.

Lamont says he couldn't tell any difference. I'd say my Spyder is running smoother. Hard to describe. It was running fine when I took it in. Not sure about more power. But the power seems smoother. Maybe just wishful thinking.

The only other thing I noticed is I had a less decel popping on the ride home than I did on the ride out.

I'd recommend the "Fix". If you wait and you have problems you'll wish you'd gotten it done.

 

[NancysToy]

One thing I noticed in the dealership was a big ad on the Spyder saying it qualified for the Stimulus Money/Rebate. I assume that is the Cash for Clunkers. I forgot to ask the owner when we talked to him.

I think it is the sales tax deduction. Good for any 2009 bought this year, as I recall.

 

[BajaRon]

I think it is the sales tax deduction. Good for any 2009 bought this year, as I recall.

Could be. I meant to ask for details (like it said on the flyer) but got sidetracked with something that I'm not allowed to talk about.....

 

[DynamoBT]

Could be. I meant to ask for details (like it said on the flyer) but got sidetracked with something that I'm not allowed to talk about.....

You're a tease, you know that??:yikes:

 

[Smylinacha]

Like Lamont has already posted. We got our Spyders "Updated" today.

It was quick (very quick) and painless.

There were 2 bikes ahead of us in the "Fix-It" line. Don't know what was wrong with them but they were still sitting there when we left. So Alcoa Good Times got us in and out.

I have been very happy with Alcoa Good Times dealership. The service manager and the owner, and everyone else I've met there have been great people.

Anyway, I went for a quick stroll through the dealership. And by the time I got back I heard Lamont fire his Spyder up and ride it out of the service bay. Mine was already done! (I think my Parts Bike was the Canary for this one). It may have taken 20 minutes for both bikes.

You guys got Lamont all nervous about doing this upgrade. But it was a piece of cake.

One thing I noticed in the dealership was a big ad on the Spyder saying it qualified for the Stimulus Money/Rebate. I assume that is the Cash for Clunkers. I forgot to ask the owner when we talked to him.

Both the service manager and the owner said the only thing they are selling much of is the Spyder and they are selling well. They only have 2 left and one was sitting there with a "Sold" tag on it.

Lamont says he couldn't tell any difference. I'd say my Spyder is running smoother. Hard to describe. It was running fine when I took it in. Not sure about more power. But the power seems smoother. Maybe just wishful thinking.

The only other thing I noticed is I had a less decel popping on the ride home than I did on the ride out.

I'd recommend the "Fix". If you wait and you have problems you'll wish you'd gotten it done.

whatever you do, don't go to carsdotgov to see about any cash for clunkers. I'm serious.
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[BajaRon]

whatever you do, don't go to carsdotgov to see about any cash for clunkers. I'm serious.
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Hope and Change...."Yes We Can!"

 

[BajaRon]

Just total speculation. But I'm wondering if some of the problems experienced by those who had the Steering Update (computer update) done might be due to having removed the O2 sensor.

If this update recallibrates the fuel system the computer is going to be looking to the O2 sensor for input as to what adjustments need to be made for that specific Spyder.

When you remove the O2 sensor the computer gets the same signal no matter what changes are made by the computer to adjust the fuel system.

Like I said, total guess. But my Spyder (and Lamont's) have modified intake and exhaust systems with the Juice Box and neither of us had any issues with the update.

 

[Firefly]

whatever you do, don't go to carsdotgov to see about any cash for clunkers. I'm serious.
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Yeah---- coming from Fox I wouldn't believe any of it. They'll do anything to Bash our President right now. I can't believe Beck stoops this low.

How about we stick to Spyder stuff and nix the politics. This video is more 'offensive' than the earlier one removed today.

BTW --- just checked out the real scoop on this----- the login site that Mr. Beck is talking about is for DEALERS only - not consumers. This is part of a fraud protection program to keep dealers from scamming the system.

So much for fair and balanced.

 

[bone crusher]

Yeah---- coming from Fox I wouldn't believe any of it. They'll do anything to Bash our President right now. I can't believe Beck stoops this low.

How about we stick to Spyder stuff and nix the politics. This video is more 'offensive' than the earlier one removed today.

BTW --- just checked out the real scoop on this----- the login site that Mr. Beck is talking about is for DEALERS only - not consumers. This is part of a fraud protection program to keep dealers from scamming the system.

So much for fair and balanced.

Fire,

Love ya but no politics here (so why am I commenting here, I'll never know)...many disagree with ya and think the Prez is a total socialist....as far as Fox, CNN, and others go, they all have their agenda...it's a shame as news should be news, not commentary...the Prez has gotten more than his fair share of favorable press...

 

[Firefly]

Fire,

Love ya but no politics here (so why am I commenting here, I'll never know)...many disagree with ya and think the Prez is a total socialist....as far as Fox, CNN, and others go, they all have their agenda...it's a shame as news should be news, not commentary...the Prez has gotten more than his fair share of favorable press...

Sure miss the days of Walter Cronkite---- where they actually reported the truth and kept their opinions out of the reports.

I'm just tired of the likes of Glenn Beck spreading outright lies. Their outta be a law......just like truth in advertising....

 

[BajaRon]

We're running the o2 modifier with no adverse effects(yet) since the update.......I would think the JB software would do the same thing as the o2 mod, (send a false, steady lean signal), or the ECM would try to correct for the additional fuel you're adding......

Dispels my theory on the O2 modifier. And I'm not trying to rag on any particular system. Just looking for a common denominator for the Steering Update problems some are having. There may not be any such common issue to pin it on.

My theroy was that if the O2 modifier is telling the Updated computer that everything is fine with the fuel mix (and it wasn't) the ECM would not make any attempt to correct a too rich or too lean fuel issue caused by the new software changes.

I guess I should reseach it more but my understanding is the O2 modifier tells the computer what it wants to hear no matter what the fuel mix.

I know the JB modifies the fuel by a percentage depending on conditions and settings. But since the O2 sensor is still sending accurate data, the JB unit would also have to modify input to the ECM by the same percentage.

If it didn't the ECM would simply reduce it's fuel demand by whatever amount the JB was increasing it (within the ECM's limits to adjust). That wouldn't work at all.

The JB system is lying to the ECM by a percentage of what is actually happening. Not lying on a flat line like the O2 modifier.

The JB unit just slides the ECM's relative tollerance up the rich scale a few notches. The ECM would still function to keep the fuel mix within this modified range.

For instance, a normally functioning ECM will lean the fuel mix at altitude to conpensate for reduced oxygen. If I am looking at this correctly the active O2 sensor with the JB will allow the ECM to adjust for altitude where the O2 modifier would not.

 

[ataDude]

... But since the O2 sensor is still sending accurate data, the JB unit would also have to modify input to the ECM by the same percentage...

One note... the JB intercepts the signals FROM the ECM before it hits the injectors. The JB merely tells the injectors to open an extra amount of time (don't know if it's actual time or percentage) based on the programming you do on the JB. And, the JB can never lean the mixture, or shorten the time open (lean)... it can only enrichen or add time.

There is NO input to the bike's ECM according to TBR.

AFTER THOUGHT: The JB does also intercept the O2 signal circuit but leaves that circuit intact (according to TBR) going to the ECM. To me, this says the JB does make some "on-the-fly" adjustments based on 02 readings in the low RPM bands.
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[BajaRon]

One note... the JB intercepts the signals FROM the ECM before it hits the injectors. It merely leaves the injectors open an extra amount of time based on the programming you do on the JB.

There is NO input to the bike's ECM.

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Ok, I think I get the output part.

But when the system sees a too rich signal from the O2 sensor, why wouldn't the ECM just lean the mix to compensate?

 

[ataDude]

Ok, I think I get the output part.

But when the system sees a too rich signal from the O2 sensor, why wouldn't the ECM just lean the mix to compensate?

I added a second part which may address that, Ron.

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[BajaRon]

I added a second part which may address that, Ron.

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Ok, now I think we are on the same page. We may be wrong but at least we agree!

 

[BajaRon]

The ECM would compensate for altitude through the Ambient Air Pressure Sensor by choosing the correct look-up table, the residual o2 percentage should be the same no matter the altitude, the o2 modifier merely returns to the ECM the millivolts that indicate a lean condition, prompting the ECM to bias the fuel maps to the maximum rich offset......(I think, LOL...BRP won't tell us.....)

You are right that there is more to the process than just the O2 sensor. I think the ambient air pressure table is typically used as a starting point. But don't most systems (as you said, who knows about our Spyders) fine tune with readings from the O2 sensor? :dontknow:

 

[Firefly]

No problems here with using the O2 mod and the steering update.

Did your dealer disconnect your battery as many have said should be done?

Do you have a JB---- Pretty sure Lamont does-- right? Wonder if any changes were needed?

I disconnected my battery even though I wasn't having any problems. Seems to run just the same--- like a wild beast out of hell :2thumbs:.

I also have the fuel pressure mod--- and kept it at the same 63 psi as before.

 

[BajaRon]

No problems here with using the O2 mod and the steering update.

Did your dealer disconnect your battery as many have said should be done?

Do you have a JB---- Pretty sure Lamont does-- right? Wonder if any changes were needed?

I disconnected my battery even though I wasn't having any problems. Seems to run just the same--- like a wild beast out of hell :2thumbs:.

I also have the fuel pressure mod--- and kept it at the same 63 psi as before.

Both Lamont and I have the JB and we made no changes after the update.

I think Lamont adjusted his JB down a bit when he switched from the Yoshimura to the Hindle. I had a feeling mine was a bit rich on the CA trip and I've been wanting to turn it down and see. We had them set higher than what 2 Bros. recommends.

If this new map is a leaner mix, then it effectively leaned out my JB. I doubt it would be leaner across the board. Probably targeted certain aspects of the fuel map. But as always, who knows?

Lamont stayed during the update so I don't know what they did. As fast as they did the work I doubt they had time to disconnect the battery. Maybe Lamont will chime in with some first hand details.

 

[BajaRon]

Yes they should, but in a narrow band system there are limits to the 'fine tuning'.....The narrow band o2 systems that I'm familiar with can only correct about .5 of change(reducing an AFR from, say, 14.6/1 down to 14.1/1). I don't think that the o2 mod can cause dramatic change, but I've found it to be enough to eliminate decel popping with the 2 Bros. exhaust......Although I wouldn't mind having it run a little richer and reduce some heat.......

Wel, as usual we have strayed off topic. But a good exchange I think.

With varying mods NOT having issues, and not knowing exactly what the "Steering Update" does (which has to be much more than just steering) we are again left to guess as to why some are having problems.

 

[Questions]

Just total speculation. But I'm wondering if some of the problems experienced by those who had the Steering Update (computer update) done might be due to having removed the O2 sensor.

If this update recallibrates the fuel system the computer is going to be looking to the O2 sensor for input as to what adjustments need to be made for that specific Spyder.

When you remove the O2 sensor the computer gets the same signal no matter what changes are made by the computer to adjust the fuel system.

Like I said, total guess. But my Spyder (and Lamont's) have modified intake and exhaust systems with the Juice Box and neither of us had any issues with the update.

Hey Baja...

Just wanted to share my experience. Similar to you, I have just had my spyder updated. I felt very little difference in the steering or the power. I have had the o2 sensor in since my 600 mile service. Seems to still work just fine after the update.

Thanks
JJ