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Pandorq's Box

Studybaker Bob

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First, we had a computer problem & Lamonster helped us work it out - thank you!
Carlo from BRP called on 1-4-11 to asure us that BRP wanted to fix the Spyder from hell and to make us happy. He still wanted us to wait until it warms up & for us to ride it up to their test track up in NE Wisconsin, 175 miles away, so their high teck techinians could ride it and ride with us to make sure I was not doing something wrong. Many other spyder owners are having some of the problems we are having. I told Carlo we are not waiting another 3 to 6 months for it to warm up. I told him we have been more than patient & we feel this problem needs to be fixed in the next 3 to 6 weeks. We did not want to go through another riding season with it sitting in the service dept.
Carlo & I agreed to have Tousley service dept. come & pick up our 2008 Spyder se5 rs and to try to fix it. I went out and uncovered our Spyder and started it up so it would be ready when they picked it up. The spyder had not been started since I rode it home after spending about 3 weeks in Tousley service dept. & they installed all new electrical components with BRP's high teck technitions supervision. It has been sitting at our house since 11-17-10. During this last time at Tousley, they had not corrected all of the electrical problems. When I started it up on 1-5-11 in preparation for Tousley to pick it up, the check DPS light in the instrument panel was flashing and the orange check engine light was on in the right rpm instrument. I let it idol to warm it up or about 10 to 15 minutes & check DPS & engine light stayed on all that time. The next morning, I started the spyder again, & check DPS & engine light did not come on.
That morning, we went to Tousley to talk with Art, service manager, and discussed the situation. We decided that it was not a good idea to take the spyder to Tousley because you have to ride it & put on some miles to know what I am talking about & see what it is doing.
Mechanics in dealerships do not get paid to diagnois or test ride. They only get paid to remove & reolace parts
& adjustments.
Art & I decided that BRP need to take it down South somewhere were it is warmer & they can ride it several hundred miles per day.
I called Carlo to advise of our decision on 1-5-11, put Carlo was on vacation again, so I left a message on his answering machine to get back to us as soon as possible. I also explained to Carlo on his answering machine that I thought BRP would be much further ahead, time & money wise, to stop beating a dead horse trying to fix something they can not fix. Step up to plate & replace our 2008 for the 2009 black & red spyder se5 that's been sitting on Tousleys floor for two years.
Everyone will agree that a happy customer is their best advertising, and an unhappy customer is their worst advertising.
It seems like to us that BRP would want to get our 2008 back up to the R & D shop in Canada so they could diagnois it, figure out how to fix it so they could help the poor mechanics in the service depts.
Everyone would be much happier. Poor Carlo & the nice girls in customer service dept. jobs would be much easier. Everytime Carlo picks up the phone, it us a problem.
Thanks much. Studybaker Bob
 
Mechanics in dealerships do not get paid to diagnois or test ride. They only get paid to remove & reolace parts
& adjustments.

I'm going out on a limb here; but, what kind of mechanic replaces parts without diagnosing a problem? The answer: a parts changer; not a mechanic.

I've read all your threads. IMO you need to find a dealer who has mechanics that don't require being led around by the nose. You need a dealer with mechanics that have actual troubleshooting skills.

Good luck with getting your new 2009 SE5. I don't believe Tousley will ever get your spyder fixed.

By the way, these are my opinions based on my interpretations of what you have said in all your posts/threads.
 
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Didn't you say there were some problems with that 2009 floor model in another post?

I don't get why they can't do testing on it regardless of the weather.

I'm not sure if they trade up for you that they will bother messing with the old one at all-- might just destroy it and move on....:dontknow:
 
Pandora's Box

Thanks to all my brothers & sisters for your support, it's greatly appreciated.
I was greatly surprised & disappointed that I did not hear from Carlo or BRP this week.
Stay tuned, I have not yet begun to fight.
 
Technicians at any dealership (car or motorcycle) do get time for diagnosis of problems. This includes a test drive/ride. For each code that is found the service manual has a diagnostic chart that must be followed in order to correctly diagnose the problem. It sounds like Tousley doesn't want to take the time needed to correctly repair your Spyder. It sounds like a change of dealers is a good choice.
 
dragracers comment in Pandora's Box

Thanks dragracer, Towsley, in our opinion, is a very good dealer with good mechcanics. But, as I'm sure you know, it is almost impossible to diagnois a low volltage intermittent glitch they only pop up when you are out riding, with no diagnois machine around. The only way to know what I'm talking about is to ride my spyder every day, several hundred miles for a week, then you'll know. Thanks
 
Thanks dragracer, Towsley, in our opinion, is a very good dealer with good mechcanics. But, as I'm sure you know, it is almost impossible to diagnois a low volltage intermittent glitch they only pop up when you are out riding, with no diagnois machine around. The only way to know what I'm talking about is to ride my spyder every day, several hundred miles for a week, then you'll know. Thanks


Bob, with all that you have gone through with the Spyder and your dealer, if BRP wants to take it to their test center, let them do it. I don't think you will ever get that Spyder that's been at the dealers for 2 years. The best deal you will get from BRP is the tech center. They have, as I have heard, equipment that dealers don't have, and the expertise that dealers don't have. If they can't fix it, then maybe something else can be worked out. I am sure that your frustrations are valid, but I really believe that your dealer is at the end of his rope. Let BRP take it.
 
Two different threads on the same subject today. Sounds like there is a campaign going on. That may not help your case a lot. When you printed your most recent thread back in December, 1671 members read your story, and 43 members gave you some very good advice about getting the problem solved. Im recommending you follow some of the suggestions given by members. Nasty letters and demands will really not help your case. Legal help might, but the advice from the members has been very good.
 
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I'm going out on a limb here; but, what kind of mechanic replaces parts without diagnosing a problem? The answer: a parts changer; not a mechanic.

I've read all your threads. IMO you need to find a dealer who has mechanics that don't require being led around by the nose. You need a dealer with mechanics that have actual troubleshooting skills.

Good luck with getting your new 2009 SE5. I don't believe Tousley will ever get your spyder fixed.

By the way, these are my opinions based on my interpretations of what you have said in all your posts/threads.

:agree: The mechanics charge me by time as well as part prices...they can do quite well charging for diagnostics...of course, they should be honest about it!
 
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