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Overheating...

UPDATE: Overheating

When my bike was picked up by Elk Grove Powersports at my job this morning, the Service Manager promised the sensor causing the overheating would be fixed and my bike returned by 4 this afternoon. @ 3:00 I got a call from him saying the repair wouldn't be done until 5 but that because he promised my bike at 4, he's dispatching his driver with a loaner bike for me until mine is delivered tomorrow morning. Because they didn't have a loaner, they "created a loaner" from their sales inventory. As promised, I was delivered the yellow 2013 Spyder STS with 331 miles (of which I put half on just driving around) seen below. Just another reason I feel lucky to have a dealer who stands by their product after the sale as much as before/during. I assure you that i'm not affiliated with the dealership in any way, I just like to give a positive experience as much exposure as some of the ownership horror stories i've read.


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Spyder Tony said:
When my bike was picked up by Elk Grove Powersports at my job this morning, the Service Manager promised the sensor causing the overheating would be fixed and my bike returned by 4 this afternoon. @ 3:00 I got a call from him saying the repair wouldn't be done until 5 but that because he promised my bike at 4, he's dispatching his driver with a loaner bike for me until mine is delivered tomorrow morning. Because they didn't have a loaner, they "created a loaner" from their sales inventory. As promised, I was delivered the yellow 2013 Spyder STS with 331 miles (of which I put half on just driving around) seen below. Just another reason I feel lucky to have a dealer who stands by their product after the sale as much as before/during. I assure you that i'm not affiliated with the dealership in any way, I just like to give a positive experience as much exposure as some of the ownership horror stories i've read.


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That is great that they bring you a loaner. I do hope that the sensor fixes your problem but I'm not convinced that it will. Please be sure to let us know what happens next.
 
UPDATE: Overheating Part 1...

SpyderAnn01 said:
That is great that they bring you a loaner. I do hope that the sensor fixes your problem but I'm not convinced that it will. Please be sure to let us know what happens next.
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Well, you may be right SpyderAnn. I got my ride back Friday and rode her hard, but did not overheat. BRP called and worked with the repairs every step of the way. Apparently, this has been an issue with 2013 ST's (as we know) and they are taking the opportunity to "try some things" with my bike in tandem with the dealership. They initially thought it would be a sensor swap...then (as you will see in "Job 2" of the invoice, they go into Heat Soak. Late Friday, I received a call from the dealership...they got a call from BRP asking them to swap out the cooling fan. They will pick up the bike Monday (had to order new fan out of Canada) and drop of another loaner. Both BRP and the dealer have said they will keep trying until the problem is solved. Below is the repair order and notes:

From: Elk Grove Power Sports Service Dept
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:01 PM
To: Younger, Tony
Subject: Elk Grove Power Sports Service Invoice

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[TD]REPAIR ORDER INVOICE # 8477
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[TD]Elk Grove Power Sports
10491 East Stockton Blvd Suite A
Elk Grove, CA 95624
(916) 714-7223
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[TD]Sold To :
Younger, Tony
Fair Oaks, CA
(M) (916) XXX-XXXX
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[TD]In Date:
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[TD] Jul.23, 2013
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[TD]P/U Date:
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[TD] Jul.25, 2013
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[TD]Service Writer:
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[TD] FPercy
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[TD]Can-am
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[TD]SPYDER ST LIMITED SE5
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[TD]2013
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[TD]N/A
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[TD]1130.00
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[TD]Job: Job 1 Inspect and advise customer states vehicle is running hot.
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[TD]Job Description:
Perform inspection and advise customer states vehicle is running hot. Found fault P0217 4 count 33 hours. Engine coolant over temp. The coolant level is correct. Could not duplicate the problem. The unit idled for over a half hour cycling the fan between 217 and 203. Talked to Perry at BRP. Call ID # 4158754. He said since the fault occurred in first gear, it sounds like an air flow issue or possibly the radiator.
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[TD]Resolution:
Replaced the engine temp sensor. Test rode machine for 48 miles operates properly at this time with no faults.
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[TD]Recommended Repairs:
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[TD]Bcrawford
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[TD]Job 1 Inspect and advise customer states vehicle is running hot.
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[TD]Warranty
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[TD]0.00
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[TD]0.00 %
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[TD]$0.00
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[TD]Part Number
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[TD]420274040
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[TD]SENSEUR.*TEMPERATURE SENSOR
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[TD]1
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[TD]$0.00
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[TD]219700362
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[TD]1
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[TD]$0.00
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[TD]Labor:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Parts:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Fees:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Sublet:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Sub Total:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Tax :
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Job Job 1 Inspect and advise customer states vehicle is running hot. Total:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Job: Job 2 Perform bleeding of coolant system
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[TD]Job Description:
Performed coolant replacement procedure to specifications. With the miles on it, there shouldn't be any air in the system. BRP had a spyder specialist call. Spoke to Davey Call ID# 4168971. He said to check to see if the thermostat was upside down. It is installed correctly. He also said that the new spyder panels are holding in more heat. They have had reported issues with customers riding their unit at slow speeds, stopping for a short period of time with the engine off, then when they restart the unit the coolant is over heating (Heat Soak). They then take off and it cools back down eventually.
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[TD]Resolution:
Call ID# 4168971. It is installed correctly. Performed coolant replacement procedure to specifications.
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[TD]Recommended Repairs:
N/A
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[TD]Job 2 Perform bleeding of coolant system
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[TD]Warranty
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[TD]0.00
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[TD]0.00 %
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[TD]$0.00
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[TD]Labor:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Job Job 2 Perform bleeding of coolant system Total:
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[TD] $0.00
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Notes:
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[TD]Labor:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Parts:
[/TD]
[TD] $0.00
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[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Fees:
[/TD]
[TD] $0.00
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[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Sublet:
[/TD]
[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Sub Total:
[/TD]
[TD] $0.00
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[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD][TABLE="width: 100%, align: right"]
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[TD]Tax :
[/TD]
[TD] $0.00
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[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Total:
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[TD] $0.00
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[TD]Balance:
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[TD] Warranty
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[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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Spyder Tony said:
My ST LTD has overheated before (had her about a month) and did so again last Sunday. All occurrences (5 times) have been on hot days (between 100 and 107 degrees) but I had not been excessively pushing the Spyder. Each time, I take a pic and send it via e-mail to the mechanic at the dealership. I get it in the shop within a few days and there is never a code thrown.

I have noticed that I seem to run cooler (no heating issues) when keeping the RPMs at 6,000. I don't redline (9,000 RPM's) but used to regularly run on the freeway in the 7,000 RPMs...which seemed to lead to engine overheating. Since I have been running at 6000 RPMs, I don't seem to be overheating. I know the Spyders are sensitive to heat, but I thought i'd be able to ride at freeway speeds on a hot day without getting the dreaded engine "overheating warning".

The dealer has verified that the fan kicks on when it is supposed to (based on coolant temperature) and said he can't find another cause of overheating. Forrest (the chief mechanic at Elk Grove Powersports) has opened a ticket with BRP for the overheating issues, but i'm not sure if it is due to the ambient temps in Sacramento, California as of late, or if I have a problem that requires dealer service. I plan to take some pretty long trips on the Spyder, so any info you could suggest would be appreciated.

I rarely (if ever) use 5th gear, but have been cruising in 4th at 75-80. Now I shift to 5th at 80 and keep at 6000 rpms instead of staying in 4th and maintaining the 7000 rpms I used to. Anybody else notice a "cooler engine temp" when maintaining llower RPM at speeds? The dealer said the Rotax "Could not be hurt by extremely high RPMs" and that 7,000 should be a safe amount. Again...this is just a theory, but I seem to overheat much less since backing off the RPMs a bit. I have attached a pic of the overheating light as well...View attachment 72375
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It's usually intake air too hot. To get codes it can't be shut off.
 
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