Online DPS Petition...Interest?

[jwfranklin]

The statment from BRP said they needed a few weeks, NOT a few months. It's been almost 3 months since this statement. Has there been another statement since then. If so I haven't seen it. IMHO this makes the statement of Nov 6 a falsehood. I have not had problems with my DPS, Have had other problems, I have enough other rides, with the Boss Hoss Trike gettin most of my seat time. When I do ride the Spyder, I do so with fear in the back of my mine, that control could be taken from me. Was thinking about an RT and hope to see a blue one at the demo's in Daytona. But until this problem is solved, I'll keep thinking.

Wayne

 

[Lamonster]

That statement was to tell you what was going on, it also had a phone number and email in it. If you want info from the horses mouth give them a call or shoot them an email. I'm done.

 

[BajaRon]

:agree: Makes one wonder how Toyota was able to announce a solution and repair in just a few days of recalls for their safety issue.........

oh what a feeling........

I am surprised that people seem to be satisfied with Toyota's approach. The only thing Toyota has done so far is issue a recall and stopped production/sale of new units.

While this may be impressive, nothing has actually happened yet. And this problem has been going on since 1999.

Nothing has actually changed. Toyota has not yet fixed 1 recalled vehicle. No one yet knows exactly what or how the fix will occur. People are still driving the affected/recalled car models.

Yes, Toyota appears to be doing something after;
2,274 incidents
275 crashes
18 fatalities

If BRP were to enact the exact same program today I suppose people would feel better but what would it actually change? I guess making people feel better would be something, but it isn't a solution.

 

[timpani]

I would be glad to discuss my reasons for doing what I did previously, via PM any time you wish. Until then, try to refrain from personal attacks, please. Things of that nature should be kept private.

:agree:

 

[bone crusher]

Tom,

Good for you! I've never been one to bash BRP and I have not had a problem with my Spyder, but being here and hearing all the DPS issues does pique my interest. What if I was unlucky enough to have a problem? It could be quite dangerous. That's the case that many are making here...some have experienced the lock-up of the steering...think about how they feel...

The petition isn't to go after BRP and accuse them of anything...it's to document what experiences many are having and present to them a list of items to consider and act on. 'Delusions of grandeur', 'righteous drama', etc...that doesn't help anyone here.

There are legitimate concerns that people have. I'd like to think we'd all be interested in helping one another, especially on a problem as serious as this one.

As far as having a life, we all do...trust me, I'm a very busy guy...however, since it's freezing and icy outside and I certainly won't be riding anytime soon, I'm here trying to work with others to bounce around ideas as how to bring about a solution to a problem with more haste.

No petition for me. There is enough fear and loathing right here on this forum, I don't see any need to go looking for more in the real world.

I had the "steering" problem. It was quickly and efficiently fixed. BRP contacted me BEFORE I contacted them and did all the right things as far as I am concerned.

If I gave some of the people here any credibility, when I first experienced the issue, I should have just torched the Spyder and walked home and some how given BRP dirty looks without even contacting them. Yeah, righteous drama really works.

It is a sorry thing to see so much ****:cus:**** going on, but it just the way some people are and I don't see it changing. I have never had a high opinion of people who cannot tell the difference from what they "KNOW" and what they feel, but still feel compelled lecture the rest of us on their delusions of grandeur as if it will some how make the world a better place. Yeah, that works every time.

Well, I have a life. I get a ton of enjoyment from riding. My Spyder delivers. BRP and my service shop delivered.

After reading a thread like this, I am reminded of why I ride solo and that makes me smile.

Tom

 

[boborgera]

I don't know squat about computers,
Just wondering if this thread disappears there a record of these posts,
or does it all end up in the vapors? :dontknow:

 

[Tom in NM]

Well . . . . .

What if I was unlucky enough to have a problem? It could be quite dangerous. That's the case that many are making here...some have experienced the lock-up of the steering...think about how they feel...

. . . . as I said ( and have posted and reported ) I had the problem, I know what it feels like and I thank all those that posted their experiences so that when it happened to me - I knew what was "happening" and what to do.
[ see http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15870&highlight=heads and http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16055&page=2&highlight=heads ]

So, Bonecrusher, I can tell you for me, I am grateful I had INFORMATION, not whining, wild speculation or the thought that "damn! I should have signed that petition!" when it occurred. I was surprised and concerned, but not fearful. It was a problem, I was prepared - it got fixed.

Don't want to be presumptuous and assume whom you might be referring to, but don't you see the irony in thinking that your opinion is superior to everyone else you grouse about........:dontknow:

I always try and keep the maxim; " We become the worst of what we oppose. " in mind. I did put out my observation(s) and I did express my thoughts on what I think is helpful and what is not. But, I don't think my opinion is superior to anyone else's by any measure you might choose. That is probably hard to tell across the internet - - but go back and read your responses to Lamont's postings and see if that holds true for you.

Tom

 

[txknight67]

I am surprised that people seem to be satisfied with Toyota's approach. The only thing Toyota has done so far is issue a recall and stopped production/sale of new units.

While this may be impressive, nothing has actually happened yet. And this problem has been going on since 1999.

Nothing has actually changed. Toyota has not yet fixed 1 recalled vehicle. No one yet knows exactly what or how the fix will occur. People are still driving the affected/recalled car models.

Yes, Toyota appears to be doing something after;
2,274 incidents
275 crashes
18 fatalities

If BRP were to enact the exact same program today I suppose people would feel better but what would it actually change? I guess making people feel better would be something, but it isn't a solution.

THANK YOU!!!!:agree::agree::agree::agree:

Everyone is talking about how "quickly" Toyota "responded". I didn't have those numbers, but I am glad some one did. Toyota didn't act any different than any other large corporation....waited until it got too expensive not to do something.

 

[txknight67]

Announced today-

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584435,00.html?test=latestnews

Yeah and it is filled with as much hedging as the gardens at Buckingham Palace. Should be at the dealers by....in rare cases causes sticking....it continues through out the entire article.

 

[czdaryle]

see this makes me feel great..I think they just need to let us know all this. From the outside you just see them replacing a part that you know, at sometime, have the same issue

 

[czdaryle]

Did they just replace the DPS? If so I woundn't consider that a fix but a bandaid. Still can happen to you

No petition for me. There is enough fear and loathing right here on this forum, I don't see any need to go looking for more in the real world.

I had the "steering" problem. It was quickly and efficiently fixed. BRP contacted me BEFORE I contacted them and did all the right things as far as I am concerned.

If I gave some of the people here any credibility, when I first experienced the issue, I should have just torched the Spyder and walked home and some how given BRP dirty looks without even contacting them. Yeah, righteous drama really works.

It is a sorry thing to see so much ****:cus:**** going on, but it just the way some people are and I don't see it changing. I have never had a high opinion of people who cannot tell the difference from what they "KNOW" and what they feel, but still feel compelled lecture the rest of us on their delusions of grandeur as if it will some how make the world a better place. Yeah, that works every time.

Well, I have a life. I get a ton of enjoyment from riding. My Spyder delivers. BRP and my service shop delivered.

After reading a thread like this, I am reminded of why I ride solo and that makes me smile.

Tom

 

[stgilmer]

I know for a fact that BRP has made some real progress in nailing down the problem and a real fix is on the way.

I was going to stay out of the confussion and arguing of this thread but this caught my eye. After having it said over and over, I don't like it one bit.
I am glad you "Lamont" have inside connections, if you didn't we all would be in more darkness.

But that quote said by you and said by Carlo to myself numerous times concerns me. If a fix is on its way then why do they say others were fixed and given back. I am concerned because mine may finally be on the verge of being given back. I'd rather it not if a real fix is on the way. I don't want to ride something that may or may not try to kill me, just because they want to give it back with new parts, as a showing of good faith that they did something.

 

[Lamonster]

I was going to stay out of the confussion and arguing of this thread but this caught my eye. After having it said over and over, I don't like it one bit.
I am glad you "Lamont" have inside connections, if you didn't we all would be in more darkness.

But that quote said by you and said by Carlo to myself numerous times concerns me. If a fix is on its way then why do they say others were fixed and given back. I am concerned because mine may finally be on the verge of being given back. I'd rather it not if a real fix is on the way. I don't want to ride something that may or may not try to kill me, just because they want to give it back with new parts, as a showing of good faith that they did something.

I'm sorry to say I'm done on this subject. I had my DPS replaced a couple of weeks ago and have the same parts as you. I'll drive it the way it is like I did the 43,000+ miles before and when there is an update I'll get it done but for now if you want any info about the DPS just go to Carlo, he works and is paid by BRP, I don't work for them nor do I get paid a dime from them.

 

[stgilmer]

I'm sorry to say I'm done on this subject.

I get you by saying that. And I stand on saying Thanks for all you have done. You weren't obligated to do anything but you did. I feel better getting info from you than anybody else, I don't get the run around feeling from you. So I will leave this thread alone, just needed to say my peace and personal thanks to you.

 

[BajaRon]

I'm not, in any way, defending Toyota. I'm merely pointing out that an apparent solution to their safety issue has been discovered and issued within just a few days of a global recall.

You make my point perfectly! :thumbup: I sure appreciate the help! :roflblack:

If you look at the timeline/accident/fatality record, this "Apparent Toyota Solution within just a few days of a global recall" has taken over 10 years! Do you imagine that Toyota engineers just got out of bed last Friday and said "Oh, my gosh! We have to get this figured out today!" No, most likely Toyota's been working on this for a long LONG time. Definitively NOT Warp Factor 10 problem solving (JMHO).

The "Solution" link posted is, at this point, nothing more than campaign rhetoric to calm the masses. Do we know, for sure, that anything is happening with the Toyota issue? No, we don't because all we have so far are nice words. Not 1 recalled vehicle has yet been repaired. Do we know that the touted repair actually fixes the problem? No we don't.

Seems to me that some here are willing to RANT against BRP while giving Toyota a pass for much the same thing.

Is BRP doing anything? They say they are but there are some who don't believe it. Now Toyota, after over 10 years, says they are doing something and those same people say "Hurrah!". I'm just trying to put some perspective on this.

It may well be that Toyota IS getting this nailed down, I'm not saying they aren't.

According to BRP they are getting this DPS thing nailed down (and though more than the originally hoped for 2 weeks it has certainly been a bit less than Toyota's 10 years!).

So, to be fair, we need to give BRP at least 9 years and 9 months more to get this right. Anybody up for that? No, didn't think so.

Maybe we should wait until the cake is done before we start telling everyone how good or bad it is.

 

[bjt]

I don't get all this love for Toyota's handling of their recall. :dontknow: I agree with txknight67's assessment of the latest story of the Toyota recall and fix.

 

[Tom in NM]

. . . . It won't silence me from speaking my piece about it. Nor will you.

I only speak for myself, but I have no intent or desire to silence you or tell you how to say whatever it is you want to say. Why would I want to?​

Also, it seems that BRP has met all of your expectations throughout the process. Again, good for you. That hasn't been the case for many other people, however. But by your reasoning, if YOU are happy, then I should be, too. Sorry to inform you, it doesn't work that way.

No, that is not how my reasoning works - just like I don't think that because you are unhappy with BRP that I should be too. Like others who have had steering issues and have posted them, I shared my experience and what worked for me. It bothers me that others have had very different experiences and problems with getting their Spyders back on the road. I would hope my experience would give them a perspective on what may be the weak-link in their problems being resolved -- not a solution - just a perspective for them to explore.​

Did they just replace the DPS? If so I woundn't consider that a fix but a bandaid. Still can happen to you

Yes, they replaced my DPS (and all the software adjustments that go with that) - but, that was after performing the software update when I first experienced the problem. As I posted before, after that software update, I didn't have any problems for over 500 miles. But the problem "came back" and the DPS was replaced. Again, for the details, read the postings I referred to earlier in post #74 of this thread. I consider it a fix. I wish there was a "test" that would prove that it was fixed for all eternity, but since I don't have the problem, I am considering it fixed. That works for me, but I can understand where that may not be good enough for you or others.

Tom

 

[Way2Fast]

First of all I'd like to thank Bone Crusher for starting this thread. We may have knocked heads in the past, but he now deserves my respect for his input here. :thumbup:


On another note, I hate to admit how paranoid the whole steering issue has made me. Last weekend a local tv station made mention of a motorcycle accident that resulted in death to the rider. The accident was witnessed by the riders wife who was following and saw him loose control of his bike. Although no mention was made as to what type of bike was involved, I immediately thought that maybe it was a Spyder. I haven't heard anything else about the accident and my inital reaction really bothers me. This entire steering issue seems to be so imbedded in my mind that I wonder if I'll ever be able to relax while driving my Spyder ?? I really need some reassurance from BRP.

 

[truck 85]

You make my point perfectly! :thumbup: I sure appreciate the help! :roflblack:

If you look at the timeline/accident/fatality record, this "Apparent Toyota Solution within just a few days of a global recall" has taken over 10 years! Do you imagine that Toyota engineers just got out of bed last Friday and said "Oh, my gosh! We have to get this figured out today!" No, most likely Toyota's been working on this for a long LONG time. Definitively NOT Warp Factor 10 problem solving (JMHO).

The "Solution" link posted is, at this point, nothing more than campaign rhetoric to calm the masses. Do we know, for sure, that anything is happening with the Toyota issue? No, we don't because all we have so far are nice words. Not 1 recalled vehicle has yet been repaired. Do we know that the touted repair actually fixes the problem? No we don't.

Seems to me that some here are willing to RANT against BRP while giving Toyota a pass for much the same thing.

Is BRP doing anything? They say they are but there are some who don't believe it. Now Toyota, after over 10 years, says they are doing something and those same people say "Hurrah!". I'm just trying to put some perspective on this.

It may well be that Toyota IS getting this nailed down, I'm not saying they aren't.

According to BRP they are getting this DPS thing nailed down (and though more than the originally hoped for 2 weeks it has certainly been a bit less than Toyota's 10 years!).

So, to be fair, we need to give BRP at least 9 years and 9 months more to get this right. Anybody up for that? No, didn't think so.

Maybe we should wait until the cake is done before we start telling everyone how good or bad it is.

I have one of those Toyota's and no one has talked to me yet. My furture son-in-law is a toyota tec and they have not even been trained yet how dose this make a fix?

 

[WaltH]

The Toyota fix turns out to be a shim the size of a postage stamp and the thickness of a nickle, as reported in this mornings newspaper. In the end, Toyota didn't come out looking too good in this IMO.