Online DPS Petition...Interest?

[bone crusher]

Is there anyone here or does anyone have a friend who might be interested in starting an online petition regarding the DPS? I don't have the problem, but it seems like more than just a few do...what if there were several hundred signatures (or more) on a petition to give to BRP to inform them of a united base of Can-Am Spyder owners who would like them to figure this problem out and anything less is unacceptable...

Is anyone interested in doing this?...just an idea to put out there for those with problems...and for those of us who don't, it might be a good idea if it's likely that something bad could occur later on...

 

[boborgera]

Is there anyone here or does anyone have a friend who might be interested in starting an online petition regarding the DPS? I don't have the problem, but it seems like more than just a few do...what if there were several hundred signatures (or more) on a petition to give to BRP to inform them of a united base of Can-Am Spyder owners who would like them to figure this problem out and anything less is unacceptable...

Is anyone interested in doing this?...just an idea to put out there for those with problems...and for those of us who don't, it might be a good idea if it's likely that something bad could occur later on...

I'll sign if someone puts a petition together. But i wont bring my Spyder
in unless they have the parts in the shop and can repair it in a day or two
''guaranteed'' NOT weeks or months

It's my gut feeling BRP would love for us [ 08/09 owners,
to go away so they can sell their 25 thousand dollar + Spyders in
peace.

 

[WaltH]

Is there anyone here or does anyone have a friend who might be interested in starting an online petition regarding the DPS? I don't have the problem, but it seems like more than just a few do...what if there were several hundred signatures (or more) on a petition to give to BRP to inform them of a united base of Can-Am Spyder owners who would like them to figure this problem out and anything less is unacceptable...

Is anyone interested in doing this?...just an idea to put out there for those with problems...and for those of us who don't, it might be a good idea if it's likely that something bad could occur later on...

I am sure BRP knows there is much apprehension amongst Spyder owners regarding the steering disease. I am not sure how much they care. Time will tell. An online petition may not help, but it couldn't do any harm. The key to success for BRP is how they communicate the solution once they have it. They must convince the owners that the solution is real and complete with appropriate remedial action.

BRP did a really poor job with the Spyder fires. They basically didn't communicate anything. Once they decided that very little was required, they closed the book with no explanation. Their only remedy was going forward. This consisted of an extended vent hose for the canister and improved purge cycles. I would give them an "F" for this.

There seems to be much greater general concern about the steering issues than there was for the fires. We only knew of 8 fires and there are many more reports of steering failure. Owners seem more willing to report the steering issues to the government. There seems to be a feeling that the fires were something that happens to other people, but steering failure is something that could happen to me.

Fear of steering failure is something that will cause owners to abandon the Spyder, if it is not dealt with to their satisfaction. With the fires, BRP was only concerned with their own satisfaction level.

 

[WaltH]

I'll sign if someone puts a petition together. But i wont bring my Spyder
in unless they have the parts in the shop and can repair it in a day or two
''guaranteed'' NOT weeks or months

It's my gut feeling BRP would love for us [ 08/09 owners,
to go away so they can sell their 25 thousand dollar + Spyders in
peace.

There is no evidence that the 2010 models do not have the same steering disease.

 

[wyliec]

I'm in for the petition and I have not had the problem.

I think Carlo, although responsive, has been giving nothing but lip service; how many times is he going to tell members that it will be 2 more weeks before the steering issue is resolved? Every time there is a problem, BRP has the dealers throw in a DPS, GPS, SAS and any other initials you can think of.

At this point I don't believe BRP is looking into the problem (just throwing parts into the owner's spyders that have the problem). If anybody thinks BRP is working diligently to solve the problem, they are kidding themselves. It's now been over a year since the spyderlovers.com member had his serious accident (related to steering), which he reported to BRP and the NHSTA (or whatever the initials are). If they were taking the problem seriously, they have had more than enough time to correct it.

And, I know there will be those that will say that BRP is working 24/7 to correct the problem. If BRP is, I'm sure most here would like to know what is actually going on, and not hear that their lawyers are stopping them from making any type of announcement. We've had members here say that BRP is not even requesting the failed parts back.

 

[bone crusher]

We would need someone with some computer savvy who can put something together. I have seen political organizations use online petitions but I do not know what is entailed. I believe that if the petition is worded correctly, it can be directly at BRP, the NHTSA, or any other organization that can help with this effort.

 

[Firefly]

I am sure BRP knows there is much apprehension amongst Spyder owners regarding the steering disease. I am not sure how much they care. Time will tell. An online petition may not help, but it couldn't do any harm. The key to success for BRP is how they communicate the solution once they have it. They must convince the owners that the solution is real and complete with appropriate remedial action.

BRP did a really poor job with the Spyder fires. They basically didn't communicate anything. Once they decided that very little was required, they closed the book with no explanation. Their only remedy was going forward. This consisted of an extended vent hose for the canister and improved purge cycles. I would give them an "F" for this.

There seems to be much greater general concern about the steering issues than there was for the fires. We only knew of 8 fires and there are many more reports of steering failure. Owners seem more willing to report the steering issues to the government. There seems to be a feeling that the fires were something that happens to other people, but steering failure is something that could happen to me.

Fear of steering failure is something that will cause owners to abandon the Spyder, if it is not dealt with to their satisfaction. With the fires, BRP was only concerned with their own satisfaction level.

There has never been any concrete evidence what caused the few fires that happened. BRP has never stated it was due to the evap can. While it makes sense to me the evap *could* have been a contributing factor - it's still just speculation.

 

[Firefly]

There is no evidence that the 2010 models do not have the same steering disease.

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Evidence

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

I like that.:clap:

Michael:doorag:

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

BRP

I'm in for the petition and I have not had the problem.

I think Carlo, although responsive, has been giving nothing but lip service; how many times is he going to tell members that it will be 2 more weeks before the steering issue is resolved? Every time there is a problem, BRP has the dealers throw in a DPS, GPS, SAS and any other initials you can think of.

At this point I don't believe BRP is looking into the problem (just throwing parts into the owner's spyders that have the problem). If anybody thinks BRP is working diligently to solve the problem, they are kidding themselves. It's now been over a year since the spyderlovers.com member had his serious accident (related to steering), which he reported to BRP and the NHSTA (or whatever the initials are). If they were taking the problem seriously, they have had more than enough time to correct it.

And, I know there will be those that will say that BRP is working 24/7 to correct the problem. If BRP is, I'm sure most here would like to know what is actually going on, and not hear that their lawyers are stopping them from making any type of announcement. We've had members here say that BRP is not even requesting the failed parts back.

I'm with you. At least for Good, Bad or indifferent we do know what Toyota is doing.nojoke

 

[widowmaker2011]

I'm with you. At least for Good, Bad or indifferent we do know what Toyota is doing.nojoke

5 million plus cars , part re-engineered in short time and fix issued. 3-5000 spyders parts not re-engineered and fix not issued. :dontknow:

On a side note , owned 2 spyders , sold one and bought a new Buell last year...... Had a nice Saturn and traded it on a Pontiac, then thought better of that decision and bought a Toyota... Yeah lets forget last year..... :gaah:

 

[Way2Fast]

I'm all for a petition. I agree 100% with what everyone has said up to this point:agree: :2thumbs: :clap: It seems like logic has finally overcome some of the blind "love" often expressed here.

If the new Spyders don't have and will not get the steering disease I can assume that BRP HAS found out the cause. If this is the case why are they pussyfooting the issue. Perhaps the real fix is too costly for a squeaky shoes company to properly address?? The lawyer excuse that was mentioned is hogwash. There is enough evidence of steering problems just on this board to confirm a problem exists. BRP may as well publically acknowledge it and keep owners informed as to what they are doing to solve the issues. Keeping people in the dark will not improve their public image.

I wish I knew how to start a petition, but my computer skills are limited to two finger typing...with a lot of mistakes!

 

[freebob]

Steering issue

I'm all for a petition. I agree 100% with what everyone has said up to this point:agree: :2thumbs: :clap: It seems like logic has finally overcome some of the blind "love" often expressed here.

If the new Spyders don't have and will not get the steering disease I can assume that BRP HAS found out the cause. If this is the case why are they pussyfooting the issue. Perhaps the real fix is too costly for a squeaky shoes company to properly address?? The lawyer excuse that was mentioned is hogwash. There is enough evidence of steering problems just on this board to confirm a problem exists. BRP may as well publically acknowledge it and keep owners informed as to what they are doing to solve the issues. Keeping people in the dark will not improve their public image.

I wish I knew how to start a petition, but my computer skills are limited to two finger typing...with a lot of mistakes!

I'm also ready for a petition. I agree 100% with what everyone has said up to this point

 

[bone crusher]

I'm also ready for a petition. I agree 100% with what everyone has said up to this point

As I said earlier, we need someone with computer knowledge who can create and hold the data...if anyone has ever been a part of other petitions, we can find out how they are done, kept 'legal', etc...we don't want to mess it up and we can really do more with numbers as opposed to an individual approach...heck, we can go directly to BRP and the NHTSA with the petition, provided it's done properly...

We need facts that can be put on the petition...someone like Scotty or other motorcycle geniuses would be needed for this...

 

[NancysToy]

We need facts that can be put on the petition...someone like Scotty or other motorcycle geniuses would be needed for this...

Count me out! If you have experienced a problem, or had an additional experience after the recall, report it on the NHTSA site. Guessing at technical causes, passing on second hand information about symptoms, or just expressing your unrealized fears out loud will get you nowhere, IMO.

 

[BRPjunkie]

Signing a petition might make some feel better, but it would have little if any impact. BRP knows through its dealers and from monitoring this an other sites of the issue. Any petition would have to state facts regarding the issue and they are varied in how they manifest themselves and how they are resolved. Some would sign such a petition even if they had no problems simply in support of the need for answers. Yes, we need answers, but a petition would be more for us than BRP. In my professional capacity I saw lots of petitions on things such as stray voltage, radioactive leaks, chemical leaks, power plant emissions, water discharges, fish kills, etc. Many were broad claims stating that something was wrong and it must be our fault. Some were very specific and related to one property owner, but people statewide would sign it. Even on those that did involve many potential claims, the facts of each case were often distinguisable. Some people signed even when they did not own property or live in our service area. Petitions can be used effectively in legally binding situations like getting proposals on a ballot, but I'm not sure this would get BRP to do anything more that what it may already be doing. That is the real issue, we don't know what that is.

 

[Sarge707]

I have not had a problem but told the BRP lady today its something they better fix because they ,BRP , don,t need this to appear on the local News Broadcast?:lecturef_smilie:

 

[Smylinacha]

Not sure a petition would help but I can offer my computer experience. never "made" a petition before but I can type like wildfire (VERY FAST) and know how to hold and store data. so depends on what people want to do but I can offer my typing services.

 

[1VENOM]

:agree:, I had the steering issue once, it was momentary and memorable. I almost run of the road, because of it. If I had died no one would have known that it was the :spyder2: not the rider that cause the accident. I'm all for it. Where do I sign? :thumbup:

 

[widowmaker2011]

Count me out! If you have experienced a problem, or had an additional experience after the recall, report it on the NHTSA site. Guessing at technical causes, passing on second hand information about symptoms, or just expressing your unrealized fears out loud will get you nowhere, IMO.

Scotty- I agree with your point about the petition. But while the NHTSA website is always a great option it does not necessarily get results. The recent Toyota fiasco is fair example. Literally hundreds of reports and no action...over 8 years!!!!!!!! There are many more issues like this that get dozens and dozens of complaints and get lost in the bureaucracy. Not saying not to report , it , but don't expect action.