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Not much outrage regarding the YouTube shooter

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RinconRyder said:
Realistically I don't see how that is close to possible. For each doctor who will state someone is unstable there is another who will disagree. How is a court supposed to decide? The medical profession has lots of trouble deciding just what is mental illness and then what is apt to lead to violent behavior. We would be convicting someone before they committed any crime and stigmatizing them for life by declaring they are "unstable" (meanwhile, felons who did not commit violent acts are prohibited from owning firearms).

And in the case of the LV shooter.....wasn't he a "responsible owner" until he massacred 58 people?
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UtahPete said:
Sounds easy enough. Explain exactly how you would do that.
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I know, I really don't have the answer. It's a complex problem. I just hope people who know about this problem will make a great effort to find out.
 
until our penal system starts punishing those that break the laws instead of blaming guns, ammo... nothing will change... people that want to kill other people will use other means to do so.. just reflect back at some of the means beside guns that criminals use to kill people.. air planes -911 .... Oklahoma City - bombing... New York City - U-Haul truck.. (get the picture?) our penal system has been watered down to the point criminals do not fear any punishment because there is none... murderers kill and sit in rest homes (suppose to be prisons) they have TV, basket ball courts, weight workout rooms, and so on.. lawyers, prison owners do not want the death penalty... simply because its a huge money making system.. check it out , just read it costs $30,000 on average to house a prisoner (OBSURD) .. so many states outlawed the death penalty... go back to the ole EYE FOR AN EYE punishment and watch things change...
 
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Orange Spyder Man said:
until our penal system starts punishing those that break the laws instead of blaming guns, ammo... nothing will change... people that want to kill other people will use other means to do so.. just reflect back at some of the means beside guns that criminals use to kill people.. air planes -911 .... Oklahoma City - bombing... New York City - U-Haul truck.. (get the picture?) our penal system has been watered down to the point criminals do not fear any punishment because there is none... murders kill and sit in rest homes (suppose to be prisons) they have TV, basket ball courts, weight workout rooms, and so on.. lawyers, prison owners do not want the death penalty... simply because its a huge money making system.. check it out , just read it costs $30,000 on average to house a prisoner (OBSURD) .. so many states outlawed the death penalty... go back to the ole EYE FOR AN EYE punishment and watch things change...
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That's complete nonsense.nojoke
 
You could have said that a LONG time ago... :banghead:
So if you don't want to use incarceration as a deterrent: how many criminals are you willing to take under your wing, and re-educate? :dontknow:
 
SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN said:
pete explain why you say that, i would like to know.
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My previous lengthy attempts to articulate an alternative viewpoint have been for naught. Sooner or later the thread gets pulled and I have to start all over again. Got better things to do with my time.

But, I will weigh in occasionally with a short response, as I did above, just to provide some balance to an otherwise lop-sided 'argument' (I won't dignify it by calling it a discussion or exchange of ideas).
 
Bob Denman said:
You could have said that a LONG time ago... :banghead:
So if you don't want to use incarceration as a deterrent: how many criminals are you willing to take under your wing, and re-educate? :dontknow:
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I've learned mis-direction and obfuscation from the master, Bob. nojoke
 
Bob Denman said:
Why do you say that? :dontknow:
It sure sounds pretty reasonable to most of us.
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Having represented many unwanted clients in prisons and jails, I've seen the actual conditions and I agree with you and Orange Spyder Man on that issue. While **we** wouldn't like to be in prison, the living conditions there are frankly a big step up for many others in our society. This is wrong, it's not a deterrent if people don't mind going there. In SC, there was a prison riot thought to be related to cell phones (this from CBS, not Fox). We coddle our prisoners too much already -- it just boggles my mind why prisoners would ever be allowed cell phones.
 
Orange Spyder Man said:
until our penal system starts punishing those that break the laws instead of blaming guns, ammo... nothing will change... people that want to kill other people will use other means to do so.. just reflect back at some of the means beside guns that criminals use to kill people.. air planes -911 .... Oklahoma City - bombing... New York City - U-Haul truck.. (get the picture?) our penal system has been watered down to the point criminals do not fear any punishment because there is none... murders kill and sit in rest homes (suppose to be prisons) they have TV, basket ball courts, weight workout rooms, and so on.. lawyers, prison owners do not want the death penalty... simply because its a huge money making system.. check it out , just read it costs $30,000 on average to house a prisoner (OBSURD) .. so many states outlawed the death penalty... go back to the ole EYE FOR AN EYE punishment and watch things change...
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Exemplary hyperbole!
 
johnsimion said:
Having represented many unwanted clients in prisons and jails, I've seen the actual conditions and I agree with you and Orange Spyder Man on that issue. While **we** wouldn't like to be in prison, the living conditions there are frankly a big step up for many others in our society. This is wrong, it's not a deterrent if people don't mind going there. In SC, there was a prison riot thought to be related to cell phones (this from CBS, not Fox). We coddle our prisoners too much already -- it just boggles my mind why prisoners would ever be allowed cell phones.
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Cell phones are not allowed in prison. They are small and easily concealed, allowing them to be smuggled in just as any other contraband.
 
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