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NHTSA Investigation Process

Jeffsm69

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A lot of Spyder Owners are probably wondering what is involved with the investigation, well here's my experience;
1. The investigator is very thorough, he spent almost 3 hours going over every aspect of my ST-Limited as well as other bikes at the dealership photographing both the old panels as well as the new panels and the mechanics and owner of Can-Am of Windber handled the situation very well.
2. To dispel any myths or rumors, the investigator is doing his job, he can not recommend a fix for BRP, all he can do is record his findings and continue with his case and at this point there are many to investigate.
3. My review of the 2014 body panels after testing them extensively this past weekend with over 400 miles after the install, they work fantastic on my STL, the heat issues are gone, they are cool to the touch and have eliminated the hot gas cap and heat rising up from the front of the seat area, the heat seems to be pushed out the bottom of the bike and no other heat problems seem to be present, nothing near my feet what so ever.
4. What can you do to get the body panels for yourself? Contact BRP Care at [email protected] and you may use my case number to help them understand what you would like done, case number is #326738 (Service Bulletin was given to my Dealership only)
5. How can you help with the investigation by the NHTSA? File a claim here: https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/index.xhtml


This is from the Investigator himself;

Hello. Perhaps your members would appreciate accurate information regarding our recall investigation process, generally, and our recently opened Spyder investigation, specifically. Thank you for your consideration. Sincerely, Bob Young NHTSA/ODI

For detailed information about NHTSA’s Recall Investigation Process, go to: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/RecallProcess and/or http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/documents/MVDefectsandRecalls.pdf

To track an investigation, go to: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchSafetyIssues. At the resulting page, select “ID Number”, select the “investigations” box, and enter the investigation number (in this case, PE14025) then select “GO”. At the next screen, you will see an investigation summary. For related, non-confidential, documents released for public access, click on “…Associated Document.” Here, toward the bottom of the page, you will see a link (in this case, “INOA-PE14025-4026.PDF”) to the only document currently in the “Public File”…the opening resume we use to memorialize the investigation’s opening. This resume is also sent by email to the manufacturer within 24 hours of opening. The public file is updated as new, non-confidential, documents are processed. For an example of what is typically in the public file when an investigation is closed, conduct the same search for the investigation number “PE03039" and click on "associated documents."

To search for other complaints filed with us, go to http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchSafetyIssues and fill in the Model Year and Make (e.g., 2013 CAN-AM). Click on “GO.” At the next screen, in the “Complaints” column, select the complaint count for the model of interest (e.g., currently "40" for the 2013 CAN-AM SPYDER RT). This will produce a listing of complaints (with summaries but without personal identifiers) for the model selected.

To file a complaint with us (we call these complaints “Vehicle Owner Questionnaires” or “VOQs”), please go to https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

For questions about PE14025 you may reach me at (202) 366-4806 or [email protected].

Bob Young
Vehicle Defects Investigator
Office of Defects Investigation (ODI)
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) USDOT
 
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Thanks for the update Jeff seems like the ST owners may get some relief . 2013 RT owner the ball is in our court. :thumbup:
 
We appreciate the heads-up! :thumbup:
And :congrats:!!!! Glad to hear that the side panels are doing their job! :2thumbs:
 
The Investigator is very professional, he took the time to explain to all the owners that showed up at the dealership what was going on and what he was there to do as well as explain the process.

I know quite a few owners have already ordered their new panels from my dealership, the only requirement is that you ask the dealer for them in person, he just needs to hear you request them and done, they are ordered on the spot and there's usually a 3 week time frame until they are in due to demand.

I have heard that some members on this site have had luck speaking to BRP and using my case number to get the service bulletin sent to their dealers as well, personally I think that this should have been automatic but this particular bulletin is so new, there may not have been time to get them all out
 
this is good info...thanks...so glad that BRP is finally replacing the ST 2013 panels with the ST 2014 air flow panels....the difference is night and day.....10k with no heat...perfect
 
:shocked: Nuttin' just yet... :shocked:
Dave,
Could you do all of us a BIG favor??
Please take a look at the feasibility of running a 2013 RT with the black lower side panels removed...
Would it take a lot, to get the rest of the bodywork to stay put without them? :dontknow:
I'm just trying to think outside the box a bit. ;)
 
with the investigation going on I would think the RT's should be getting some form of relief.....BRP fix the 2013 RT's
 
:agree: But if something useful can be found by the owners; it would at least give them directions in which to proceed.
Hopefully; that might help speed the process! :thumbup:
 
:shocked: Nuttin' just yet... :shocked:
Dave,
Could you do all of us a BIG favor??
Please take a look at the feasibility of running a 2013 RT with the black lower side panels removed...
Would it take a lot, to get the rest of the bodywork to stay put without them? :dontknow:
I'm just trying to think outside the box a bit. ;)

Actually I have thought about that Bob. Just have not decided to try it out because there is some wiring on the right side for sure and exposure to the elements may not be good for them. I also think it may result in burned ankles especially with my Seal's on. Now those panels with scooped or venturi vents....:dontknow:
 
I think if you look at the investigation, it's mainly focused on the RT's, but you should file a complaint, it's helps the NHTSA follow up on each individual case, the ST owners aren't holding back and BRP has stepped up in a big way offering the 2014 air flow panels, now you all need to contribute to find a fix for the 2013 RT's as well, just my opinion but the CAT and exhaust seem to be the main problem on the RT's, same for the 2013 ST's
 
Great review..!!

thanks for filling in the blanks. This helps all see that things are being done to get this issue fixed. Hope it will move along quickly...:thumbup:
 
I think if you look at the investigation, it's mainly focused on the RT's, but you should file a complaint, it's helps the NHTSA follow up on each individual case, the ST owners aren't holding back and BRP has stepped up in a big way offering the 2014 air flow panels, now you all need to contribute to find a fix for the 2013 RT's as well, just my opinion but the CAT and exhaust seem to be the main problem on the RT's, same for the 2013 ST's

Add the un insulated gas tank to the problem. Gasoline has a boiling point of 120-150 degrees. Ventilation is needed for the RT too.
 
I have a question....on NHTSA complaints on 2013 ST....all complaints from 10-31-2013 and back at the end of each complaint there is *TR or *JB...it's not the initials of the posters...cause 4 complaints are mine...2 with *TR 2 with *JB....anybody know what this may mean?
 
:shocked: Nuttin' just yet... :shocked:
Dave,
Could you do all of us a BIG favor??
Please take a look at the feasibility of running a 2013 RT with the black lower side panels removed...
Would it take a lot, to get the rest of the bodywork to stay put without them? :dontknow:
I'm just trying to think outside the box a bit. ;)

Being a old Harley rider, and used to open engines, I tried removing the lower panels, it funneled the heat and dust straight up through the console. I live on gravel roads and when riding to the hwy, i could see the dust and tremendous amount of heat rising up from the sides of the center console storage box. Once i got to the hwy, the dust stopped but the heat was like a blow torch. my opinion is the lowers just caused the heat to rise faster. I did wrap my pipes where they go under the fuel tank and in front of fuel tank. I also wrapped the front and sides of fuel tank with a starter heat shield I purchased from advanced auto and used reflective tape to secure it. I can tell a big difference in the heat and gas boil, it also made the noise from engine and exhaust quieter. I will also purchase another starter heat shield and attach to the underside of the inner plastic framework above the rear head which should stop the heat from rising and cooking anything that is in the storage box, and my juevos!
 
I filed a complaint a year ago and again just recent.... never heard back, I have a 2013 RT and officially can bake a chicken roaster in my vehicle which gets well above 225 at times
 
Being a old Harley rider, and used to open engines, I tried removing the lower panels, it funneled the heat and dust straight up through the console. I live on gravel roads and when riding to the hwy, i could see the dust and tremendous amount of heat rising up from the sides of the center console storage box. Once i got to the hwy, the dust stopped but the heat was like a blow torch. my opinion is the lowers just caused the heat to rise faster. I did wrap my pipes where they go under the fuel tank and in front of fuel tank. I also wrapped the front and sides of fuel tank with a starter heat shield I purchased from advanced auto and used reflective tape to secure it. I can tell a big difference in the heat and gas boil, it also made the noise from engine and exhaust quieter. I will also purchase another starter heat shield and attach to the underside of the inner plastic framework above the rear head which should stop the heat from rising and cooking anything that is in the storage box, and my juevos!
Thanks for the answer!! :2thumbs:

I'm sure that everyone would have loved to hear something different... :shocked:, but they needed to hear this anyway! :clap:
 
I think if you look at the investigation, it's mainly focused on the RT's, but you should file a complaint, it's helps the NHTSA follow up on each individual case, the ST owners aren't holding back and BRP has stepped up in a big way offering the 2014 air flow panels, now you all need to contribute to find a fix for the 2013 RT's as well, just my opinion but the CAT and exhaust seem to be the main problem on the RT's, same for the 2013 ST's

Thanks for this info Jeff
 
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