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NEW UPDATE TO THE NHTSA INVESTIGATION
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Gray Ghost
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Can you name a modern fuel injected bike that doesn't have a cat? Motorcycles are also required to comply with emissions control laws and none of the brands I have dealt with are exempt from using cats.
Jim's_Spyder
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No heat problem on mine. :shocked: 69 degrees outside 5 bars on the temp gauge and a comfy 145.8 degrees in the right foot well:yikes:. Right in that area that was the hottest spot, It average 120-130 degrees in that area. The radiator was at 175 degrees when I pulled in the shop and went up to 187 after it idled a few minutes. 
crazyspyder
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lemons
Honda, Harley, to name a few. had both bought new at dealer with no cats. Texas doesn't enforce it or endorse it- that goes for loudness as well. can anyone enlighten me on how to file with NHTSA- questionair aks for dates and ties of accidents and don't
know how to respond too heat, gas smell, and lean conditions? also lemon law- states that you have a certain time after purchase
to file. none after that time has passed. anybody knows any facts on the lemon law?:dontknow:
Honda, Harley, to name a few. had both bought new at dealer with no cats. Texas doesn't enforce it or endorse it- that goes for loudness as well. can anyone enlighten me on how to file with NHTSA- questionair aks for dates and ties of accidents and don't
know how to respond too heat, gas smell, and lean conditions? also lemon law- states that you have a certain time after purchase
to file. none after that time has passed. anybody knows any facts on the lemon law?:dontknow:
PMK
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Cats or no cats, that is really up to BRP and the EPA.
As far as the heat issue, the group here has shown favorable results removing the cat, and its associated heat, by installing a bypass pipe.
I am not saying that this is the answer, and it may even be illegal for BRP to go there.
BRP simply needs to find the source of the heat, be it insulated exhaust, a redesigned exhaust that runs similar to the 2014 RT series, maybe a retune of the engine, comparison to the Aprillia engine maps. Who knows, but they should be working at it and the owners of these machines should stay focused and organized. Those with no issues, that's good, but tomorrow may be a different day with troubles.
PK
As far as the heat issue, the group here has shown favorable results removing the cat, and its associated heat, by installing a bypass pipe.
I am not saying that this is the answer, and it may even be illegal for BRP to go there.
BRP simply needs to find the source of the heat, be it insulated exhaust, a redesigned exhaust that runs similar to the 2014 RT series, maybe a retune of the engine, comparison to the Aprillia engine maps. Who knows, but they should be working at it and the owners of these machines should stay focused and organized. Those with no issues, that's good, but tomorrow may be a different day with troubles.
PK
oldguyinTX
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Emissions
Connecticut does not do emissions testing on motorcycles. I believe that BRP makes them all C. A. R. B. compliant.
Connecticut does not do emissions testing on motorcycles. I believe that BRP makes them all C. A. R. B. compliant.
PMK
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The lady across the street has cats...
M109Dreamer
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When I filed ours for the heat and gas, I think your referring to the catagory on the website correct? Has a drop down arrow but nothing seems to drop down when you click on it?
Had same issue. In the window just type "fuel" in it and it will then populate and then you will scroll up and down for the other catagories. They let you select more than one functional area so i had fuel and engine for topics in regards to the heat and fuel smell.
In the description window, I listed both issues in the window. Hope this helps.
bscrive
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With JT's pre-filter the sound goes back to what it would be with the original air box. We put it on my wife's STL.
finless
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jaherbst
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Therein lies the problem, lack of false advertising or failure to disclose the negative!
I was a first time buyer with no Spyder knowledge and thought I got a "whopper of a deal" in 2013. I got a whopper but no deal.
Recently returned from the Hill Country ride. Every time a stop was made it smelled like a gasoline refinery. It had to be all Spyders prior to 2014. I just gave up and shelled out $11,400 OTD trading my 2013 (bomb on three wheels) RT-S for a 2014 RT-L. Not happy with having to do this but with health and safety in mind I felt my choices were few.
After testing the last effort by BRP for heat dissipation and feeling none if any change took place it made up my mind to trade for a 2014 which I am very happy with. But of course BRP wants you to do this. I have solved the problems with my money not theirs. Dealer will sell this 2013 to another unsuspecting soul with no knowledge of the problem.
I do not feel this problem will be solved any time soon if at all with out a major redo of the 2013 and prior year Spyders. Brp is not going to spend the money. It is always cheaper to pay a negotiated fine than to fix things in arrears.
Jack
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Bob Denman
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Sorry, Jack...
My 2010 RT never showed even the slightest HINT of any problem with overheating, or gas fumes. nojoke
I'd stick my hand down in the outlet for the radiator airflow, and it was never more than lukewarm. :thumbup:
The Missus could feel some heat on her right foot; but it was never anything more, than what you'd expect while sitting on top of an engine.
crazyspyder
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I want to believe...:roflblack::roflblack: .
who put the cat back in the bag!:gaah:..?
. thanks Arizona your info was spot on.:thumbup:
I want to believe...:roflblack::roflblack: .
who put the cat back in the bag!:gaah:..?
. thanks Arizona your info was spot on.:thumbup:
Gray Ghost
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I don't know for sure about Honda, but I have been through factory training on HD, Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki. All their recent street models with fuel injection have catalytic converters. And I would bet a steak dinner that the same holds true for Honda.
Pennyrick
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No, it isn't!!!
Put 16,000 miles on a 2010 RT SE..... no gasoline smell or overheating noticed in the time we owned.
Put 14,000 miles on a 2011 RT SM.... no gasoline smell or overheating noticed in the time we owned.
Put 18,000 miles on a 2012 RT ltd ... no gasoline smell or overheating noticed since we have owned.
Put 26,000 miles on a 2012 RT ltd.... no gasoline smell or overheating noticed since we have owned.
M109Dreamer
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