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New Tires - Now brake pedal problem

Bunson

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I had a local independant motorcycle/atv shop install new 175/55R-15 Vredestein Quatrac SL and 205/65R-15 Vredestein Quatrac SL on my 2018 RTL today. Love the tires.
When I went to pull out the brake pedal went all the way down. OK, so the guy didn't even test drive the bike. I probably should have just turned around but figured they just needed to be pumped up. While, they never did pump up. Luckily no dear ran out in front of me.
So, any ideas what may have happened? Pedal goes all the way to floor board before it starts to activate the breaks.
Thanks
 
Check your brake fluid level and fill if needed. If it still gos down look for leaks or open bleeder valve on the brake caliber.
 
Just a guess here, but perhaps he screwed in the rear caliper all the way. If so, it may take a few pumps to get the calipers in the proper position.
 
I had a local independant motorcycle/atv shop install new 175/55R-15 Vredestein Quatrac SL and 205/65R-15 Vredestein Quatrac SL on my 2018 RTL today. Love the tires.
When I went to pull out the brake pedal went all the way down. OK, so the guy didn't even test drive the bike. I probably should have just turned around but figured they just needed to be pumped up. While, they never did pump up. Luckily no dear ran out in front of me.
So, any ideas what may have happened? Pedal goes all the way to floor board before it starts to activate the breaks.
Thanks

Frankly there is NO correlation between tires that have been changed and your Brakes not working. If the shop did ANYTHING to your brakes, they should admit it and repair it ..... jmho .... Mike :thumbup:
 
I agree Mike. Especially when you know that the bike only has 4500mi on it. Even if he did push/turn the pistons in they should have pumped back up quickly. That what's got me baffled. There's nothing particularly special about removing the rear wheel on the Spyder compared to any chain/belt drive bike. Hopefully I find something tomorrow when I take a look.
I normally do my own work but have had to get help lately due to major back surgery in 2018. Five vertebre fused. I'm scheduled for more surgery 12/17.
Thanks for all of the replys.
Any other ideas?
 
I agree Mike. Especially when you know that the bike only has 4500mi on it. Even if he did push/turn the pistons in they should have pumped back up quickly. That what's got me baffled. There's nothing particularly special about removing the rear wheel on the Spyder compared to any chain/belt drive bike. Hopefully I find something tomorrow when I take a look.
I normally do my own work but have had to get help lately due to major back surgery in 2018. Five vertebre fused. I'm scheduled for more surgery 12/17.
Thanks for all of the replys.
Any other ideas?

Not sure if I need to tell you, or if it'll even help any :dontknow: but once you've checked that the Brake Fluid Resrvoir is full of clean Brake Fluid (& not black smelly gunk! :p ) this is possibly worth a try....

1. Select Reverse gear & back the Spyder up a bit, saay, 4-5 yards/metres;
2. Apply the foot brake (not aggressively but firmly) to stop the Spyder moving & hold the pedal down;
3. Apply the Park Brake & once it's applied (you may feel the pedal sink a bit as the Park Brake takes up) release the foot pedal, then pause for a second or two;
4. Release the Park Brake;
5. Drive forward to return to your starting place;
6. Apply the foot brake (not aggressively but firmly) to stop the Spyder moving & hold the pedal down;
7. Apply the Park Brake & once it's applied (you may feel the pedal sink a bit as the Park Brake takes up) release the foot pedal, then pause for a second or two;
8. Release the Park Brake & repeat from # 1.

Repeat this process at least 5-6 times. The brakes (& the Park Brake) are all theoretically 'self adjusting' & so should be 'self seating' - the pistons because they're hydraulic & the Park Brake because it uses a screw thingy to push the piston onto the disc with an over-ride function to stop it screwing the piston down & then leaving it jammed up too tight! So theoretically, the repeated brake applications (both foot & Park) while travelling forwards & backwards may take up any hydraulic &/or screw slack left in the system & return your firm brake pedal. :ohyea:

But from what you're telling us, I'd hazard a guess that this won't help much! :gaah: . I reckon that the most likely causative scenario is that the tech removing/replacing the rear wheel maybe disconnected or possibly crimped &/or damaged the rear brake line during the process, maybe while trying to get the caliper out of the way make it easier to get the wheel with the disc attached off or back on the Spyder.... it hasta be the rear brake cos it's the only brake caliper that needs to be even looked at when taking wheels off! :rolleyes:

Either way, if it's not just a 're-seat the pads' issue that the process above should fix, then it sounds like you've got some air in the brake system & the brakes will need to be bled in order to get that firm pedal back! :banghead:

Good Luck! :cheers:
 
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I agree Mike. Especially when you know that the bike only has 4500mi on it. Even if he did push/turn the pistons in they should have pumped back up quickly. That what's got me baffled. There's nothing particularly special about removing the rear wheel on the Spyder compared to any chain/belt drive bike. Hopefully I find something tomorrow when I take a look.
I normally do my own work but have had to get help lately due to major back surgery in 2018. Five vertebre fused. I'm scheduled for more surgery 12/17.
Thanks for all of the replys.
Any other ideas?
:agree: with Peter .... I would check for any damage to the brake lines .... start at the rear .... good luck ....
Sending many :pray::pray::pray: ..... Keep us informed .... Mike :thumbup:
 
As mentioned, no need to even focus on fronts, unless the wheels are not tight.

As a guess, and total guess because we have seen it here before, they tried to spread the rear brake pads using a pry bar, so the caliper will slip on the disc easier, unaware you must wind in the piston. With that, possibly they undid the brake hose banjo to release fluid, thinking it would let the piston travel in. Now the rear brake system has air within it.

Totally a guess.

Suspect you need a brake system bleed at a minimum.
 
Brake Issues

:popcorn: First I would call the shop and ask some questions.
Something was done to the Spyder that caused the problem.
Unfortunately if they did not test ryde and find a problem, shame on them.
Hopefully they will help you out.
 
I had a local independant motorcycle/atv shop install new 175/55R-15 Vredestein Quatrac SL and 205/65R-15 Vredestein Quatrac SL on my 2018 RTL today. Love the tires.
When I went to pull out the brake pedal went all the way down. OK, so the guy didn't even test drive the bike. I probably should have just turned around but figured they just needed to be pumped up. While, they never did pump up. Luckily no dear ran out in front of me.
So, any ideas what may have happened? Pedal goes all the way to floor board before it starts to activate the breaks.
Thanks
I would check the rear brake rotor,which is attached to the rim/hub assembly for any lateral runout(bent) which would force a caliper piston to retract into the caliper bore when the tire rotates. It’s possible that the “tech” failed to remove or properly install and torque the rotor to the hub properly. Just a thought.
 
I think the OP shpuld be asked if his brakes are working fine right now?? And if the answer is yes, than it would have to be that the guy did in fact wind the rear in when he removed the rear caliper and didn't pump the brakes back when he got done! Don't over think this one guys. If the fluids up and he has a good brake now with out and leakage, he's good to go! You do a set of pads on your car the first thing you want to do is get in and pump the brake up, if you don't what happens?
 
I was able to take a look at things this morning. Problem solved. It appears to a combination of two things. I had the oversized Show Chrome brake pedal on the bike. This prevents the pedal from going all the way down unless you push hard enough to release the front of the floorboard. I did them hard enought to release the floorboard on the ride home. I put the stock pedal back on and did Peter's method of pumping them up and now working fine.
I've done numerous brake jobs over the years and never had one that took so much pumping of the pedal.
Scared the crap out me the first time I hit them hard enough to release the floorboard. Thought for sure I had really broken something.
Thanks for all help!
 
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