sabunim5
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Inquiring minds (me) want to know. What other DPS fuse did you pull? :dontknow: I'd like to yank it before I make the run to my dealer this afternoon.
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My Turn To Have Power Steering Problems
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Inquiring minds (me) want to know. What other DPS fuse did you pull? :dontknow: I'd like to yank it before I make the run to my dealer this afternoon.
groundeffect
Registered User
I will echo that knowing the process of disabling the DPS would be useful. I think it better to have to exert more force when steering, rather then steering not knowing when it will yank you right or left, suddenly.
I'd also be VERY interested in finding out how the Spyder handles with the DPS completely disabled. Perhaps (not sure, just asking a question and not suggesting) it is safety to have the DPS completely disabled, rather then enabled and faulty???
What do you guys think?
For goodness sake, ride safe, everyone.
Cheers.
Fuse #5 under the seat:
sabunim5
New member
Thank you :bowdown: I just got through finding the same page myself. So I did not have the DPS fully disabled, which might explain why I still had resistance to moving right.
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Way2Fast
Guest
The fuse in the front of the vehicle is a 5 amp. The one under the seat in the rear is a 40 amp. I pulled them both, but I'm not convinced that the DPS is responsible for 100% of the problems being reported. Part of the blame goes to the Stability Control causing a front wheel brake to drag slightly.
As far as how the vehicle handles without power steering...fine in my opinion. I don't think the DPS ever worked on my Spyder since day one as I don't notice any difference with it disconnected. Perhaps a woman rider with less upper body strenght might have difficulty turning the bars at rest or at very low speed, but it doesn't bother me. Geeze...it's only a 700 lb bike. How did people drive 2 ton cars and trucks before power steering was invented? Not having power steering wouldn't prevent me from taking a long distance trip...but fear of a re-occuring steering problem sure would !!
groundeffect
Registered User
sabunim5: I'd be interested to know the handling of the Spyder with both fuses out. Be careful out there though. Perhaps the DPS steering issue will not raise it's head now, since both fuses would be out.
Are you going to test it today on the way back to the dealer, take the long way to the dealer?
Cheers.
sabunim5
New member
pps:pps:pps: It turns out I may not have disabled the DPS. I only removed the fuse in the front panel and not the one in the rear panel. :cus: Now I feel like the village idiot. Oh well. Live and Learn.
groundeffect
Registered User
Way2Fast: Thanks for your comments on this, I appreciate it. If anything, if I purchase a Spyder I would feel safer knowing that perhaps ( not sure - maybe there is more to the 'steering issue' then just the DPS ) I could disable it and be safer without worrying about a sudden yank on the controls when I'm not expected it.
thanks.
groundeffect
Registered User
No worries, I think with your posts on this, perhaps we are getting closer to understanding the issue... I know I am. But, I'm new so....
Thanks for posting.
C3517C
Member
Pulling both fuses will not solve the problem. A faulty DPS unit will still have issues with the power supply removed. It will, however, minimize the amount of over correction that a rider creates by "popping" the steering out of a "stuck" position. I experienced this first hand and and re created the problem for my dealer. Extensive testing was further conducted with the dealer and a BRP rep who flew in for DPS research. It would take me all day to go through the info but I can tell you some things for sure. First, BRP is aware of the problem and knows the DPS will still malfunction with no power. Next, the problem occurrs in varying degrees of severity. Sometimes it may just feel like a slight bump or pull on the steering, other times it will almost go into full lock up. Next, this is a steering problem, not a braking problem or stability control problem. Also, BRP does not make the DPS, they buy it from someone else. I'm not saying that makes it OK, I'm just putting the info out. Last, I don't claim to be a Spyder expert. I was just fortunate enough to have a very good Spyder mechanic, who worked together with BRP to do some very detailed DPS testing, with my Spyder and many others, out of the dealership I use.
Smylinacha
Yellinacha
They pretty much buy everything from someone else. So all the sudden dps's are failing at different times for different ryders. Could be but I'm not betting the house on it just yet.
sabunim5
New member
Todays Update
I just heard back from my dealer. After checking the Spyder, BRP is having them replace the DPS. The DPS is on back order with no projected delivery date. :gaah: Then replace and retest. The only code I ever got was Check DPS and then only after I pulled the front 5amp fuse. I have gotten an email back acknowledging my NHSTA report. The Spyder is not just a toy for me. I commute etc. besides ryding for pleasure, so I sure hope the wait is not extensive.
I will update as things develop. :chat:
I just heard back from my dealer. After checking the Spyder, BRP is having them replace the DPS. The DPS is on back order with no projected delivery date. :gaah: Then replace and retest. The only code I ever got was Check DPS and then only after I pulled the front 5amp fuse. I have gotten an email back acknowledging my NHSTA report. The Spyder is not just a toy for me. I commute etc. besides ryding for pleasure, so I sure hope the wait is not extensive.
I will update as things develop. :chat:
groundeffect
Registered User
The Spyder is not just a toy for me. I commute etc. besides ryding for pleasure, so I sure hope the wait is not extensive.
If I purchase a Spyder, I would be using it as my only vehicle; for adventure, pleasure riding as well as commuting, getting groceries, etc...
Cheers and the best of luck on getting the replacement parts. Why I wonder would these parts be on back order when they seem to have the need to replace a fair few?
Best of luck.
Cheers.
Probably because they didn't suspect they were going to have to replace as many as they have...
Rub
groundeffect
Registered User
I got a call from my dealer and my Spyder is ready to pick up. :clap::yes:
Thanks great news!! Looking forward to your post on any details they provide.
cheers and Ryde Safe!
WackyDan
New member
I got a call from my dealer and my Spyder is ready to pick up. :clap::yes:
2 1/2 weeks... that isn't shabby at all given what others have had to contend with. :2thumbs:
sabunim5
New member
Status Update
:2excited: I picked up my Spyder from Pensacola Motor Sports on Sat. morning. The wait was not nearly as long as some others have had. :clap: My DPS unit was replaced. No other components were replaced. There was some serious recalibration/reset of some of the computer sub systems on the work order. There was also a note that my front end alignment was slightly off and the dealer made the appropriate adjustments. When I logged my tire wear at my 12k service it was very even with only minor variations on the left tire. That was the side I found worn components that BRP replaced under warranty.
I will be keeping a closer eye on front tire wear now that the front end has been realigned. The service ticket also mentioned that the dealer (PMS) felt I had excessive free play in my handlebars when at rest. Adjustments were made and a note was made that they did not feel that the free play situation was improved. The amount of free play at rest has seemed normal to me; but other than a short demo ride over 2 years ago I have never ridden another Spyder.
I only got a chance to put a few hundred miles on this weekend and all went well. :2thumbs: I did not notice any significant change from prior steering characteristics but I am not sure. To be honest, I am still a little paranoid of riding too aggressive and having the Spyder try to keep me from steering again. :yikes: I probably won't really relax and fully trust the system until it has been a few thousand miles of no problems. I plan to put a few hundred more miles on before I put my wife on the back with me.
I got an unsolicited follow up call from Carlo on Friday before I had even picked up the Spyder. :thumbup: Unfortunately the call was to my home, so I did not get a chance to speak with him personally. I would like to thank Carlo and BRP for the personal attention. I hope that I won't need it in the future. I am very pleased with how my dealer and BRP handled the situation. This is really the only time the Spyder has had any down time in over 2yrs. and 13k+ miles. IMHO that is great for a machine that was/is so new in both concept, design and construction. Lets all get out there and ryde safe. nojoke
sabunim5 :spyder:
:2excited: I picked up my Spyder from Pensacola Motor Sports on Sat. morning. The wait was not nearly as long as some others have had. :clap: My DPS unit was replaced. No other components were replaced. There was some serious recalibration/reset of some of the computer sub systems on the work order. There was also a note that my front end alignment was slightly off and the dealer made the appropriate adjustments. When I logged my tire wear at my 12k service it was very even with only minor variations on the left tire. That was the side I found worn components that BRP replaced under warranty.
I will be keeping a closer eye on front tire wear now that the front end has been realigned. The service ticket also mentioned that the dealer (PMS) felt I had excessive free play in my handlebars when at rest. Adjustments were made and a note was made that they did not feel that the free play situation was improved. The amount of free play at rest has seemed normal to me; but other than a short demo ride over 2 years ago I have never ridden another Spyder. I only got a chance to put a few hundred miles on this weekend and all went well. :2thumbs: I did not notice any significant change from prior steering characteristics but I am not sure. To be honest, I am still a little paranoid of riding too aggressive and having the Spyder try to keep me from steering again. :yikes: I probably won't really relax and fully trust the system until it has been a few thousand miles of no problems. I plan to put a few hundred more miles on before I put my wife on the back with me.
I got an unsolicited follow up call from Carlo on Friday before I had even picked up the Spyder. :thumbup: Unfortunately the call was to my home, so I did not get a chance to speak with him personally. I would like to thank Carlo and BRP for the personal attention. I hope that I won't need it in the future. I am very pleased with how my dealer and BRP handled the situation. This is really the only time the Spyder has had any down time in over 2yrs. and 13k+ miles. IMHO that is great for a machine that was/is so new in both concept, design and construction. Lets all get out there and ryde safe. nojoke
sabunim5 :spyder:
:2thumbs:Glad you've got it back. Hope you have no more problems.
See I don't get it, seems like everyone having theirs fixed for the steering issue is getting different info. I was told last week that everyone having the DPS replaced were automatically having a new SAS put in, but you said that you didn't get anything else. Mine never gave the Check DPS until AFTER the new DPS was put in. Please keep us posted on how it performs as you rack up the miles.
(My:spyder2:in shop 12 weeks)
