My Journey Continues........ Riding with a Disability

[Bytemi]

Releasing the throttle IS "throttling down"; ALL the way down. Too far down.

The computer is "rev matching" to a degree to keep from sudden engine braking.

And yes, you can be on the brake lightly without having the throttle completely closed.

Ok so a throttle down without releasing it all the way.

 

[Bob Denman]

Adele,
You don't need to release the throttle when downshifting (or upshifting): the computers will take care of all of that for you! :thumbup:

 

[ARtraveler]

Listen I SEE that you have thousands of posts on here but................
It is in NO WAY necessary, or desirable even, for most riders to rev their engines that high all the time.
It just isn't.

I think that you preaching that it is somehow necessary is not doing the community in general any favors.

The redline on the 998's is at 9500, there is nothing being hurt at or near 5000 - 6000.

You are entitled to your opinion. I will respectfully disagree with what you are saying. Most of the group, agrees with exactly what I have been "preaching."

I have owned 4 998's and have never had a problem with any of them. All driven under the same perimeters.

The "power band" on the 998 is 5000 and above.

 

[Bytemi]

You are entitled to your opinion. I will respectfully disagree with what you are saying. Most of the group, agrees with exactly what I have been "preaching."

The "power band" on the 998 is 5000 and above.

My intention was not to start a fight.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

SE - SHIFTING ISSUES

When I down shift, specifically into 2nd or first, she jump forward during the downshift. I use my thumb for shifting up and index finger for shifting down. At first I thought it was be not pressing and releasing but that is not it.

OK the issue is not whether you are comfortable with the lever position or not .....you are. I read the other answers given but in order for you to " jump forward " you have to be giving it gas !!! ....especially on a downshift ..... unless you are mis-reading the sudden change. I ride pretty HOT in the " twistie's " and manually downshift my SE to accelerate out of the apex , but otherwise I let the computer do 90% of the shifting. I think it is 95% correct in that respect .......jmho .... Mike

 

[ARtraveler]

My intention was not to start a fight.

:bowdown::bowdown: There is no fight, just a friendly discussion. You can check out previous posts by both.

 

[Bytemi]

OK the issue is not whether you are comfortable with the lever position or not .....you are. I read the other answers given but in order for you to " jump forward " you have to be giving it gas !!! ....especially on a downshift ..... unless you are mis-reading the sudden change. I ride pretty HOT in the " twistie's " and manually downshift my SE to accelerate out of the apex , but otherwise I let the computer do 90% of the shifting. I think it is 95% correct in that respect .......jmho .... Mike

So I should let her downshift herself.

 

[Bob Denman]

There's actually a pretty darn good reason why "D" is suggesting that the powerband is at or about 5,000 rpm.
It's not that that they don't make power below that level: it's that you need to keep the engine spinning at or above approximately 3,500 rpm; in order to keep the clutch fully locked-up. :thumbup:
It has a centrifugal engagement system, and needs to be kept spinning.

(The newer bikes (with the 1330) use an hydraulic setup: much less fussy about the rpm levels.)

 

[ARtraveler]

So I should let her downshift herself.

For most of us, self downshifting 90% to 95% of the time is what is recommended. If you need to downshift to get extra power, then you hit it when you need it.

 

[pegasus1300]

Since you say you can upshift OK have you tried downshifting manually to see if that is any smoother for you. One suggestion on the manual downshift,if you are in cruise control,roll your throttle to where it just starts to accelerate then downshift.

So it has been about 4 months since I picked up Peanut and I have to say, WOW!

OK lets start with what I love about the Spyder RT vs the GS (I still love you Billie) and how it accommodates the MS, besides the ones already discussed:

1. Cruise control, OMG what a life saver, you have no idea how tired a hand without feeling gets trying to make sure that you are pressing the throttle!
2. The Electronic Brake, I never put the Emergency Brake on Billie, is was impossible for me take it off!
3. The Front Release button, so much easier they trying to coordinate my actions.
4. Semi Automatic, whereas I felt bad about not shifting, it is so much easier (See Still Stuggling Section).
5. The seat supports my back and my degraded spine so the shooting pains down my legs are relieved.
6. The adjustable windshield, OK this is probably for everyone, but I got caught in the rain yesterday and I stayed totally dry, thank you!

I'm still struggling with:

1. The leak, Erik thinks it is oil and we know why the shop didn't see it. It only leaks if you let it sit for long periods of time without riding, so the shop moving it inside and outside everyday prevented the leak.
2. Shifting, shifting up is not a problem, but down shifting is rough and if I let Peanut downshift on her own, it is still rough, I really need to figure this out.
3. Still having difficulties turning off the turn single and turning on cruise control, I assume this will improve with time.

Fun Stuff:

So as I was on my way home the other day, stuggling to turn off my turn signal, a ride pulled up next me and signed, R U O K, I signed back yes, and he waved and went on his way. LOL Who knew knowing sign language would come in handy!

So Erik go me a vest to wear while riding:




For the last couple of days other riders have adopted me and as I get off on my exit or go a different way they pass me and scream "Warrior!" LOL

So the adventure continues...

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

CLARIFICATION

So I should let her downshift herself.

When I said 95% correct - I meant .... in my opinion the transmission was doing a very good job at what it was designed to do ........... and imho there is a " lifespan " on the paddle shifter .... the more you use it , the more wear it is subjected to .... I don't know if BRP will re-place it if it just wears out :dontknow: ............. Mike :thumbup:

 

[greybeard]

moron

EASY RIDER you need to crawl back in your hole

 

[Easy Rider]

I learned to drive in an automatic, I shift when the engine starts saying F'in shift, you can hear it. I don't pay attention to RPM to tell you the truth. I listen to the engine and let her be my guide.

Which is fine.
Every rider needs to feel comfortable with his ride and whether or not it is something "good to do" is secondary.......unless safety is involved.

Having said that, every person has a different "feel" for what is comfortable and proper.
We have one rider on here who shifts out of first BELOW 2000......and several others who insist that you aren't riding "right" unless you are running it up near 6000 before any shifts. Neither is "right" and neither is "wrong"........but advising others to take those extreme measures "as the right thing to do" is not acting responsibly.....in my opinion. :thumbup:

 

[Easy Rider]

EASY RIDER you need to crawl back in your hole

And YOU need to stop throwing around pointless insults.

My posts are all intended to be helpful, thought provoking or sometimes just funny.

I NEVER intentionally insult a person. OK, well maybe sometimes in retaliation but it doesn't feel good.

 

[Bob Denman]

EASY RIDER you need to crawl back in your hole

:shocked: Did we really need this in here? :dontknow:
Let's all relax, and remember that this is a sport that we ALL share and enjoy together. There's bound to be some differences of opinion: we can use them to promote honest discussions and learn new things. :2thumbs:

 

[Easy Rider]

So I should let her downshift herself.

OK that's an important point of clarification.
If the "trouble" only occurs when you are commanding the shift with the paddle.......then yes, just letting the downshifts "happen" as the bike slows down is probably better.
All 5 riders in my group with automatics have said that they just "let the downshifts happen" most of the time.
Doing that, however, will probably be a significant adjustment for the rider.

 

[retread]

As far as downshifting, the only time I downshift my SE5 manually, is if it drops below 4000 rpm, if you are on the throttle, and under 4000, the downshift should be fairly smooth. Look for about 700 to 1000rpm drop when upshifting, and take the rpm to a point that the drop doesn't take the engine below 4000.

john

 

[ARtraveler]

Originally Posted by greybeard EASY RIDER you need to crawl back in your hole"

easy rider:
Quote:
"And YOU need to stop throwing around pointless insults.

My posts are all intended to be helpful, thought provoking or sometimes just funny.

I NEVER intentionally insult a person. OK, well maybe sometimes in retaliation but it doesn't feel good. "





Yes, we are having a friendly discussion here. A difference of opinions does not need to turn into insults. Discussion is healthy and brings out many opinions. :bowdown:

 

[Bytemi]

OK so from what everyone has said, I need to let peanut downshift herself and give her a little throttle while slowing down so the downshift is smooth. Do I understand, I am sorry if y'all feel like you are :banghead: not my intention, I am just trying to figure this out. I was so much better at a manual shifting.

 

[Bob Denman]

OK that's an important point of clarification.
If the "trouble" only occurs when you are commanding the shift with the paddle.......then yes, just letting the downshifts "happen" as the bike slows down is probably better.
All 5 riders in my group with automatics have said that they just "let the downshifts happen" most of the time.
Doing that, however, will probably be a significant adjustment for the rider.

A point worth clarifying:
The earlier RTs with 998s under the bodywork did seem to downshift a bit... harshly! :shocked:
By the time BRP brought out the 1330s: they had the downshifting protocols figured out, and they're all as smooth as warm butter now! :thumbup:
I used to manually diownshift my 2010 RT about 75% of the time...
My 2014 was so smooth, that I let it handle all of the "normal"*** downshifting chores on it's own!


*** Steep hills, heavy loads, and passing maneuvers will always require a bit of human interaction.