Motorcycle oil at Walmart and amsoil

[Grandpa Spyder]

i will be doing my first service my self i am a automotive master technician so i will use can am factory stuff for the first time
but after that am soil is the only way i have been selling am soil for the longest time and is all i run on all my bike never had a problem

I went with Amsoil right from the start. It took me about 2 hours to do my 1st oil change. I can most likely cut that time in half next time. I only had 2 screws left over.:dontknow:

 

[Bob Denman]

I think that discussing oil brands might even be more fun than tire brands or cleaning products... :roflblack:

 

[boborgera]

I think that discussing oil brands might even be more fun than tire brands or cleaning products...
:roflblack:

Your slipping, You for got octane wars, Of 08-09-10-11-12. :roflblack:
:shocked:

 

[madjack]

Whats the first thing to do when you start to market a engine oil. Oh yea," we'll replace your engine if the oil causes failure," what a joke. In my 35+ years of engine repairing & biulding, I have never seen a case where a paticuler brand, or viscosity could ever be blamed for a failure. Human neglect, abuse, incompetence you bet, parts failure from manufscture defect, fatigue, improper application, many times. But NEVER because of the oil being used.

 

[billybovine]

agree with most not all

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 motorcycle oil. I think BRP is missing the boat on this oil due to their unfamiliarity with the motorcycle world. Mobil 1 motorcycle oil does indeed meet API spec SM which BRP states should not be used and will cause clutch slippage. However, Mobil 1 motorcycle oil also meets JASO MA which is the holy grail as far as wet clutch performance is concerned. If you own a Honda motorcycle, for example, they specify that the oil must meet JASO MA. That pretty much excludes any regular automotive oil and is a way of specifying that it must be motorcycle oil that has been tested for wet clutch performance. I think BRP is unaware of this spec since they don't live in the motorcycle world. Their concern over API SM is likely based on automotive oils meeting API SM specs which would also state "energy conserving" in the API seal on the bottle. Honda prohibits using any oil with an API "energy conserving" seal on it -- they are too "slippery" for long-lived wet clutch performance. All high-quality automotive oils, even pre-SM oils like SJ or SL had the "energy conserving" seal on them. So according to BRP, you could use one of those automotive oils (SJ or SL energy conserving) and meet their spec while being totally outside Honda's spec. I personally think that is incorrect thinking on their part and what they should be doing is copying Honda and other motorcycle manufacturers. They should be specifying motorcycle oil meeting JASO MA and prohibiting API "energy conserving" in order to assure good wet clutch performance. API SM is not the problem in and of itself. If you look on your Amsoil bottles, Amsoil meets JASO MA and has an API SL rating, not stating "energy conserving". Mobil 1 4T meets JASO MA and has an API SM rating and is not "energy conserving". If you look at automotive oils, you will not find them tested against JASO MA and you will find the better ones to be "energy conserving". Personal anecdotes on oil are highly unreliable in my opinion but I will offer one anyway. I've used predominately Mobil 1 4T, and occasionally Amsoil, in every motorcycle I've owned and had excellent performance. For example, 95,000 miles on a Gold Wing which is a big heavy motorcycle that demands a lot out of a clutch, and not a trace of slippage. That said, you go against BRP recommendations at your own risk.

The JASO MA spec has been replace by JASO MA1 & MA2 this is because Japanese motorcyle manufactures still had problems with excessive clutch slippage with the original spec. So the specification has been split in two with MA2 with better clutch slippage preformace. I am not sure why BRP singled out the SM rating and not SJ & SL but it may have to do with the requirements for lower ash content for SM which is achieved by reducing the amount of detergent added. The reduced ash content was implimented to prevent damage to the catalytic converter.

 

[Bob Denman]

Your slipping, You for got octane wars, Of 08-09-10-11-12. :roflblack:
:shocked:

:shocked:
:shocked: i MUST NEED MORE COFFEE! :shocked: Forgetting the Octane Wars is unforgiveable! pps:

Did we ever decide if they ran better on 85 or 115???

 

[boborgera]

:shocked:
:shocked: i MUST NEED MORE COFFEE! :shocked: Forgetting the Octane Wars is unforgiveable! pps:

Did we ever decide if they ran better on 85 or 115???

Quite a few are running on hot air.:shemademe_smilie:
:roflblack:

 

[Campverdefela]

:shocked:
:shocked: i MUST NEED MORE COFFEE! :shocked: Forgetting the Octane Wars is unforgiveable! pps:

Did we ever decide if they ran better on 85 or 115???

 

[Sarge707]

I went with Amsoil right from the start. It took me about 2 hours to do my 1st oil change. I can most likely cut that time in half next time. I only had 2 screws left over.:dontknow:

Do you ever Wonder:dontknow: Where those 2 Screws Belong?:roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

I can't even open a jar of Peanut Butter without having at least two screws left over... :shocked: :gaah:

 

[Firefly]

Good discussion.
Didn't know BRP brought the full Syn (Casterol) back.
Still gonna stick with Amsoil.
Can't pay me to shop at Walmart.


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[darren]

The Suzuki SV 1k and 650 ran great on Rotella "T", I think a few people tried it on their Spyder and it developed a clutch slip. I believe it did return to normal performance with a return to motorcycle oil.

Thats why brp uses a summer grade I have been told by my dealer due to some cases of se5 clutch slip, which mine had, it did return to normal performance when they used the summer grade

 

[Grandpa Spyder]

Do you ever Wonder:dontknow: Where those 2 Screws Belong?:roflblack:

Yes I do, I have put them aside and will look the next time I have it apart. have put 500 miles on it since. everything is still there.

 

[sealfloorboards]

Wow,

That was a fun 15 min. of reading. As far as I can tell ti's like a.......s. We all have one. Throw in a little alcohol and we could have a real discussion:roflblack:.

Ride with a wet clutch,

John
Seal FloorBoards

 

[BajaRon]

Yes I do, I have put them aside and will look the next time I have it apart. have put 500 miles on it since. everything is still there.

Are they tupperware screws? Some of the panels overlap so if you don't get all the screws in the 1st panel the 2nd one covers up where the screw goes.

You should be fine until next time.

 

[MikeinGA]

I'am going AMSOIL after I use up the BRP oil. Look at BAJARON for oil, filters, and other stuff. He's one of our vendors and good guy to do business with.


Mike

 

[aka1004]

I was wondering if amsoil left out redline in fear of being out-performed or was tested but performed too good to be published and was left out. I guess it could the market share of redline but it seems they included less known brands.

 

[Bob Denman]

Can't pay me to shop at Walmart.

:agree:
:gaah:

 

[Firefly]

I also used Royal Purple for a bit, and it seemed fine....but I couldn't get used to the smell....just had a weird smell when running.


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[swrafey2000]

AutoZone has 4quarts of full synthetic motorcycle oil,your choice of castrol,mobile1, or valvoline plus the filter for $34.99 until April3rd.I got four kits and was able to get them to order K@N filter for me since.AutoZone can also get the K@N oil fliter for $12.39 plus tax.