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Monster Fuel Injection Stage 2 Flash - F3T 2016

BLUEKNIGHT911 said:
" wrongo " ….. re-read what I posted !!!!! …………IMHO 1200 + HP fuel dragsters would explode if the tires had more traction ……..Mikie :ohyea:
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How about a 10,000 HP Funny Car
http://www.speedhunters.com/2017/03/nhra-101-how-to-run-a-10000hp-nitromethane-car/

Read the entire article bro Mike. They measure the track adhesiveness with a type of board & a torgue measure to see how much pressure it requires to life the board from the track. Righto :-)

Plus Mikie--they all run Kendra tires---NOT :-)
 
BLUEKNIGHT911 said:
Holy crap - I stand corrected ………" live and learn " - meaculpa, meaculpa …………… well my comment about 1200HP, should have signaled - I'm not exactly up to date on current Drag Racing practices :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: …. Mike :ohyea:
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It's all cool Mike---I've even been in error once this year--it'was the time I said I've never been wrong:chat:
bro d aka Darrell

The main issue of high powered cars & motorcycles that set records is in the "Clutch settings" If the clutch locked up they would all spin going nowhere. I've heard the top Fuel dragsters have up to 12 levels of clutch settings--just to go down the track in under 4 seconds. 1250+ HP yeah--currently they ware selling street cars with close to 1000 HP with a warranty. Actually one can buy a new Mustang supercharged with over 750 HP for $50,000.
Bye-bye-muscle car era:bdh:
 
I have the Monster FI stage 2, cat delete with NO baffle and stock muffler. On my Spyder there is a huge difference in power between stock and stage 2 from Monster! I have tried the same set up but with a baffle in the cat delete pipe, and at least my Spyder runs worse just with that "small" limitation.
I know Steve says it works with the cat, without the cat and everything in between, but for me it´s obvious that with more fuel AND air into the engine there also need to be better breathing for the exhaust fumes as well.
Edit:
I have just tested with the cat and stock muffler and I must say that Steve of course is right, it's almost exactly the same power and response with the cat and stage 2 vs without the cat and no baffle!
He also showed me a dyno chart showing that fact.
With cat delete AND baffle I believe the performance surprisingly is worse. My conclusion is that the baffle is restricting the flow more than the cat does.

My Spyder definitely has better top range power without baffle and it´s more responsive and "on edge" :)
I don´t understand how some here can say it lacks low end torque with stage 1 or 2 and cat delete without baffle, mine is so much more powerful in all rpm´s and the dyno obviously shows 25 extra hp.
If I run on 2nd, 3rd or 4th gear at 3500-4500 rpm and open full throttle it pulls like a space shuttle! :D The same if I give half throttle and then suddenly give full throttle it has a very substantial extra pull which is not at all present in a stock Spyder.
 
I only have stage 1, cat delete with can opener baffle & stock muffler. The very bottom end (taking off) lags for about 1 second (maybe less, haven’t timed it) then it comes alive & boils the tire off. Without the baffle & straight shot muffler the delay was much greater & more noticeable. That was both tested from dead stopped to WOT. Just my experience.
 
Dennis in Lodi said:
The holes in the air box lid for stage 2 make a noticeable intake sound at certain rpms. Since the top of the filter lid and the holes point up toward me, it's kind of like a honk in my face.
It has taken about 250 miles for me to get all the mapping changes working. It's not just the ECU receiving information and adjusting, I have to adjust my driving and shifting style.
Stage 1 has about the same hp and torque as stage 2 until about 6,500 then the dyno graphs start to separate. You have to be a seasoned rider to really feel the difference.
So, Stage 1 will put a smile on your face just fine with only a slight change in sound.
Dennis
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Hi Dennis,

I just received back my ECU from Monster (not even put it back on the Spyder yet) and was surprised about the dimension of the holes in the air box lid. Just never realize how 2 holes of 35mm might be big :)

On your experience, is there any precaution to take regarding dust or water that might comes in ?

I know that I should be careful when washing it but I guess that riding in rain should not be a problem ?

Thanks
 
Monster Fuel Injection - another happy customer :)

Results !!!

I finally sent my ECU to Monster Fuel Injection for a stage 2 tune.

I reinstalled my ECU and Air filter lid yesterday and took a small test drive with it. Only about 40km.

As everyone says, it's really a good difference. No more hesitation when twisting the handle and just a good acceleration feeling.

you can fell that the torq is now all along the revolution and not just in high rev like before.

And regarding my concern about more noise coming from the air box holes, I can say that if there's a difference, I can barely hear it.

So far, I'm very happy that I finally got it done !
 
Wildrice said:
I had the Stage 1 ECU upgrade & now Monster Fuel Injection did Stage 2 over the Winter. I can't hear any difference between Stage 1 or stage 2 or stock..
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I just got mine back from upgrading from Stage 1 to Stage 2 and I emphasize Upgrade!
Though I was somewhat happy with the Stage 1, I did find that my Spyder (2014 RT-Ltd) ran rough & jerky on take off when it was cold.
I couldn't wipe the smile off my face after taking it for a rip after installing the ECU with the Stage 2 flash.
The Spyder runs sooo smooth and the throttle response just couldn't be better!!!
Some have mentioned that the addition of the 2 air holes added to the airbox lid was noisy, to be honest I never noticed any increase in volume. The test ride was with stock cat & muffle. (Cat Delete pipe is on the work bench ready to install) :yes:
 
As I mentioned in my previous post I have the Monster stage 2 ECU flash and cat delete pipe without baffle on my Spyder and I am very very satisfied with the performance :)
When I tried the same setup but WITH the baffle I didn't like it because it felt restricted/ suffocated, especially when giving full throttle at any rpm's.
Today I decided I had to try the Monster stage 2 in combination with cat and stock muffler (= original stock factory setup) and I was truly surprised when I took the Spyder for a spin and realized it had just about the same performance but without the annoying and very loud exhaust note I had with the cat delete! 👍
It really is a lot more enjoying to drive when not disturbing the neighbors or having to wear ear protection anymore. Especially since the performance is still very good :)'
 
mackanigbg said:
As I mentioned in my previous post I have the Monster stage 2 ECU flash and cat delete pipe without baffle on my Spyder and I am very very satisfied with the performance :)
When I tried the same setup but WITH the baffle I didn't like it because it felt restricted/ suffocated, especially when giving full throttle at any rpm's.
Today I decided I had to try the Monster stage 2 in combination with cat and stock muffler (= original stock factory setup) and I was truly surprised when I took the Spyder for a spin and realized it had just about the same performance but without the annoying and very loud exhaust note I had with the cat delete! ��
It really is a lot more enjoying to drive when not disturbing the neighbors or having to wear ear protection anymore. Especially since the performance is still very good :)'
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That's why the stage II is a better all around choice...you get more low to mid range performance...also...you have a better selection of exhaust to choose from without a loss of performance.
 
donhy said:
Any low end hesitation with your cat delete ?
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I have one of the RLS 2 stage cat delete with TWO baffles. very little to no hesitation..race proven!!!!
I also have a stage II tune. Its great...do you have a Stage I or II Tune on yours?...
 
mackanigbg said:
As I mentioned in my previous post I have the Monster stage 2 ECU flash and cat delete pipe without baffle on my Spyder and I am very very satisfied with the performance :)
When I tried the same setup but WITH the baffle I didn't like it because it felt restricted/ suffocated, especially when giving full throttle at any rpm's.
Today I decided I had to try the Monster stage 2 in combination with cat and stock muffler (= original stock factory setup) and I was truly surprised when I took the Spyder for a spin and realized it had just about the same performance but without the annoying and very loud exhaust note I had with the cat delete! ��
It really is a lot more enjoying to drive when not disturbing the neighbors or having to wear ear protection anymore. Especially since the performance is still very good :)'
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This is good to hear. I am looking to upgrade my F3T with more power. I want the most tq. and hp. that I can get without being too loud. Right now I am 100% stock, but I just need a good direction to go. Don't want anything too loud, but do want as much umph as possible.
 
308gunner said:
I have one of the RLS 2 stage cat delete with TWO baffles. very little to no hesitation..race proven!!!!
I also have a stage II tune. Its great...do you have a Stage I or II Tune on yours?...
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I just have akrapovic exhaust with no ecu flash and original cat. Thinking of going with RLS cat delete and stage 1 flash and than compare stock exhaust with akrapovic.
 
donhy said:
I just have akrapovic exhaust with no ecu flash and original cat. Thinking of going with RLS cat delete and stage 1 flash and than compare stock exhaust with akrapovic.
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Okay....strong bit of advice ...before you do anything pertaining to your exhaust, do your map first...then look into the exhaust.
 
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