Monster Fuel Injection Stage 2 Flash - F3T 2016

[MagYukon]

Hi,

Reading all post about Monster Flash, I'm really thinking about getting it done.

For Stage 2, it seems like the sound might be a little different.

Actually, everything is stock on my F3T (motor, spark plug, air filter, exhaust, ...). And besides the small modification that Monster will do to the Air Filter Box, I'm planning to keep it that way.

Can someone who has it done can tell me if the result sounds will be that different ? will it be louder ?

My wife, which rides 90% of the time with me, just cannot stand any "loud noise" coming from any bikes. So, I'd like to know in advance what I might end up with.

Thanks !

 

[mackanigbg]

Hi,

If you are going to have both the catalyst and stock muffler still on the bike you should probably just get stage 1. It makes the best of the stock bike.

When you add even more fuel, ignition and also air to the engine it will need to breathe easier to get some, or at least full, benefit from the stage 2.

 

[JS3535]

I would get stage 1 & a cat delete with a baffle. I just ordered a longer version of the can opener baffle to put in mine. Should quiet it down some more & regain some low end that was lost.

 

[Dennis in Lodi]

The holes in the air box lid for stage 2 make a noticeable intake sound at certain rpms. Since the top of the filter lid and the holes point up toward me, it's kind of like a honk in my face.
It has taken about 250 miles for me to get all the mapping changes working. It's not just the ECU receiving information and adjusting, I have to adjust my driving and shifting style.
Stage 1 has about the same hp and torque as stage 2 until about 6,500 then the dyno graphs start to separate. You have to be a seasoned rider to really feel the difference.
So, Stage 1 will put a smile on your face just fine with only a slight change in sound.
Dennis

 

[308gunner]

I have a stage II...I will be the first to say pay the money and go that route...the stage I gives you good top end...but..the stage II..also gives you better low end torque..more bottom end power...thats the main area where the Spyder is lacking ...the stage II resolves that ...I do agree with you on keeping the exhaust stock...the Remap will give you more air and fuel which will make it slightly louder because it's no longer running lean...it will run the way it's supposed to from the factory...I also drag race tested both the stage I and stage II..so I know the bottom end is better on stage II..

 

[JS3535]

I have to disagree with gunner. If you are doing any flash I would remove the cat. That thing is so restrictive, plus now with the more fuel (so to speak) going to it, it’s going to get hotter.

 

[Wildrice]

Hi,

Reading all post about Monster Flash, I'm really thinking about getting it done.

For Stage 2, it seems like the sound might be a little different.

Actually, everything is stock on my F3T (motor, spark plug, air filter, exhaust, ...). And besides the small modification that Monster will do to the Air Filter Box, I'm planning to keep it that way.

Can someone who has it done can tell me if the result sounds will be that different ? will it be louder ?

My wife, which rides 90% of the time with me, just cannot stand any "loud noise" coming from any bikes. So, I'd like to know in advance what I might end up with.

Thanks !

I had the Stage 1 ECU upgrade & now Monster Fuel Injection did Stage 2 over the Winter. I can't hear any difference between Stage 1 or stage 2 or stock.. The CAT delete pipe will make it obnoxiously Loud--I even tried it with 2 Baffles which gave it a very weird sound. I'm going to put up with the extra CAT weight as I removed the CAT delete , installed the CAT & it's much better sound wise. To each his own, my neighbor is a lot happier with the CAT installed
Darrell

 

[308gunner]

I have to disagree with gunner. If you are doing any flash I would remove the cat. That thing is so restrictive, plus now with the more fuel (so to speak) going to it, it’s going to get hotter.

Its going to run better...not hotter...as long as you change your oil every 5000 miles (that's very important)...he won't have any problems with a stock cat...and it's obvious he's not going to race it...so he can easily run a stock cat without any problems.

 

[JS3535]

Just to clarify, I meant the cat is going to be hotter, not the engine. The more hydrocarbons going into it the hotter it will become. Monster recommends cat removal with both stages, but only stage 1 with a cat. I’m experimenting with my exhaust right now to see if I can quiet it down with the cat delete. I’m really tempted to make my own chambered muffler but waiting to see if what I’m going to do first will work. The down side to cat removal with or without flash is the noise (some like it & some don’t).

 

[308gunner]

Good info regarding the cat stage I..

 

[GRUNT]

Please tell me where to get the ECU flash... I keep reading about it but never see where you go to get help. Thx

 

[Peteoz]

I had the Stage 1 ECU upgrade & now Monster Fuel Injection did Stage 2 over the Winter. I can't hear any difference between Stage 1 or stage 2 or stock.. The CAT delete pipe will make it obnoxiously Loud--I even tried it with 2 Baffles which gave it a very weird sound. I'm going to put up with the extra CAT weight as I removed the CAT delete , installed the CAT & it's much better sound wise. To each his own, my neighbor is a lot happier with the CAT installed
Darrell

I’m the same as you regarding noise level increase, Darrell. I noticed no difference between stock and stage 2 of Jase’s tune. He also told me I needed to make no changes to the stock F3 setup, unless I’m looking for extra “mousepower”. For what I was looking to achieve re torque and responsiveness, it has exceeded expectations.:2thumbs:

Pete

 

[Wildrice]

I’m the same as you regarding noise level increase, Darrell. I noticed no difference between stock and stage 2 of Jase’s tune. He also told me I needed to make no changes to the stock F3 setup, unless I’m looking for extra “mousepower”. For what I was looking to achieve re torque and responsiveness, it has exceeded expectations.:2thumbs:

Pete

Exactly Pete, The mousepower with Cat delete would be on the very top end of rpm & mph--kph to you Pete . With the Cat delete I lost considerable off the line torque--the rear wheel never even spun, the added baffles I used were inadequate to provide the back pressure the engine needed at low rpm.
Darrell

 

[Wildrice]

I have a stage II...I will be the first to say pay the money and go that route...the stage I gives you good top end...but..the stage II..also gives you better low end torque..more bottom end power...thats the main area where the Spyder is lacking ...the stage II resolves that ...I do agree with you on keeping the exhaust stock...the Remap will give you more air and fuel which will make it slightly louder because it's no longer running lean...it will run the way it's supposed to from the factory...I also drag race tested both the stage I and stage II..so I know the bottom end is better on stage II..

I'm going to the 1/4 mi dragstrip on May 10th with Columbus Racing who leased the track for the day. What was your best ET & mph in the 1/4 mi ???
Darrell

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Exactly Pete, The mousepower with Cat delete would be on the very top end of rpm & mph--kph to you Pete . With the Cat delete I lost considerable off the line torque--the rear wheel never even spun, the added baffles I used were inadequate to provide the back pressure the engine needed at low rpm.
Darrell

JMHO , but I think at the Drag track …. top end would be an advantage …………… Controlling the Spyder off the line is critical ( of course the timing lights are most important ) …...………… Mike hyea:

 

[Wildrice]

JMHO , but I think at the Drag track …. top end would be an advantage …………… Controlling the Spyder off the line is critical ( of course the timing lights are most important ) …...………… Mike hyea:

They spray the track's 1st 100-200 ft thus I don't think I should be having a wheel spin problem issue. As for ET--1/4 of my timing slips have R/L written on them :roflblack:. I'm racing myself to see what the F3's will do, I imagine most of the runs I'll be looking at tail lights in the other lane hyea: Out of 50 vehicles allowed I'll be the only Spyder. Columbus Racing has the track leased for the entire day so getting runs in shouldn't be a problem :yes: If I feel in a competitive mood I may remove the 28" F4 windshield & saddle bags but generally I just want to see how it does in normal street dressing.
Darrell

 

[Wildrice]

Please tell me where to get the ECU flash... I keep reading about it but never see where you go to get help. Thx

https://monsterfuelinjection.com/home/canam/canam-spyder/ in Canada. They also have someone in the USA who does their work locally--contact them & they will give you the USA info.
Darrell

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

They spray the track's 1st 100-200 ft thus I don't think I should be having a wheel spin problem issue. As for ET--1/4 of my timing slips have R/L written on them :roflblack:. I'm racing myself to see what the F3's will do, I imagine most of the runs I'll be looking at tail lights in the other lane hyea: Out of 50 vehicles allowed I'll be the only Spyder. Columbus Racing has the track leased for the entire day so getting runs in shouldn't be a problem :yes: If I feel in a competitive mood I may remove the 28" F4 windshield & saddle bags but generally I just want to see how it does in normal street dressing.
Darrell

"spray the tracks 1st 100-200 ft. " …… What are they spraying it with ???? …………… I've seen them spray the staging area Before the timing lights to Promote wheel spin to warm the tires...…. but nothing on the actual track surface they race on …… Mike hyea:

 

[Wildrice]

"spray the tracks 1st 100-200 ft. " …… What are they spraying it with ???? …………… I've seen them spray the staging area Before the timing lights to Promote wheel spin to warm the tires...…. but nothing on the actual track surface they race on …… Mike hyea:

Wrongo Mikie--they spray water for the burnout--I believe the spray that starts at the tree is VHT traction compound . This is on a sanctioned track--not a Vermont back road:2thumbs:
bro d
PS: It is sprayed before the race begins--don't know how long it takes to dry?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Wrongo Mikie--they spray water for the burnout--I believe the spray that starts at the tree is VHT traction compound . This is on a sanctioned track--not a Vermont back road:2thumbs:
bro d
PS: It is sprayed before the race begins--don't know how long it takes to dry?

" wrongo " ….. re-read what I posted !!!!! …………IMHO 1200 + HP fuel dragsters would explode if the tires had more traction ……..Mikie hyea: