stewartj239
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Thanks for the correction. I did not know that. Do they operate out of the same location?
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Making the 2013 Spyder RT-S "Perfect"
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Thanks for the correction. I did not know that. Do they operate out of the same location?
They all throw heat that is true but the only bike that roasted my nads like this one does was a Buell XB kind of the same issue lots of stuff crammed in a small area and header pipe that has no air flow to remove heat or dissipate it. Now the mods you have done and I am doing will mitigate this. I do not think that the only ones that are bitching are those who are first time owners I have owned and ridden so many miles that it is hard to remember. This bike has some real design flaws plain and simple BRP knows it and is NOT taking the action to fix it in a quick and efficient manner. So far this little flaw has caused me over $2K but that is better than taking bath for 8-10K on trade. In my case I just decided to take it into my own hands as you did.
By the way I have really cool Viritka Intake panels back and one side mounted the other side will be on tonight the Boa Snake hydrographic looks awesome so I will do the entire bike in that Pattern and the intake vents look like they should move moocho air through the engine compartment. That is really going to keep things cooler.
I am watching with interest the PC thing I still have trepidation on what I posted earlier time will tell.
stewartj239
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I am definitely lucky because I did not experience any excessive heat with mine last summer before doing all of the mods. I know that others have and the melted parts prove it. I think that the fact that the entire engine is enclosed with literally no room for circulation is a big part of the problem. Possibly lean fuel maps was another which is hopefully fixed by the latest ECM update.
I totally agree about not taking the $8K - $10K bath. I'm sure the 2014 is nice, but I have read in more than one review that the improvements - especially the engine are nominal. The 2013 has the same chassis. Therefore, money is best spent fixing what you've got.
I am watching with interest the PC thing I still have trepidation on what I posted earlier time will tell.
The weather this week has sucked, so I'm hoping to get at least 200 more miles on it before I commit the trim tables. Right now, the FI is perfect and my trim tables are showing the real time adjustments. However, I will feel better once I successfully commit them to the base map. I will post the trim table values when I do.
stewartj239
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Where did you get those? Do they come painted or just primed? How hard are they to install? I wasn't aware of those when I bought the adjustable BRP vents.
Viritka Trikes.
primed only I had them hydrographic dipped and then clear coated the total in the parts and painting was almost $1500.00.
the pattern is hard to see but I had them put a Boa snake skin pattern to see how I liked it and it may be hard to see but the entire Spyder will converted to Boa snake next Winter it turned out that good.
tomorrow I will put light inside the engine area and snap another pic then you can see the entire area of these vents they very effective.
as as easy to install as the stock panels
primed only I had them hydrographic dipped and then clear coated the total in the parts and painting was almost $1500.00.
the pattern is hard to see but I had them put a Boa snake skin pattern to see how I liked it and it may be hard to see but the entire Spyder will converted to Boa snake next Winter it turned out that good.
tomorrow I will put light inside the engine area and snap another pic then you can see the entire area of these vents they very effective.
as as easy to install as the stock panels
The Lamonster Garage and Pitbull Powersports are essentially right next to each other. Pitbull's service section will be moving to Lamonster Garage so Pitbull can expand their showroom. When Len opened Pitbull early last year, it was understandably with some trepidation and a rightful decision to not go too big at the start. However, his reputation, service, and customer support were so exceptional that it was obvious by late in the year that he had unfortunately been a bit too conservative on sizing his dealership.
I have no doubt that the partnership between Pitbull Powersports and Lamonster Garage will be an extraordinary success. Len and Lamont are exceptional people with incredible technical skills and a finely honed understanding of exceptional customer support. I can't wait to see how wonderfully this will work out.
stewartj239
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I was very impressed with Len as well. I spoke with him on a couple of occasions before ordering the Elkas and I never felt that he was trying to rush me or get me off the phone. I would definitely do business with him again.
stewartj239
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Today I went through the process of committing the Trim tables to the Dyno Jet base map that I started with. The greatest trim percentage adjustment I saw was 10%. The attached images show the new fuel tables for each cylinder. If you load them into a viewer and then move to the next image, you can see where there are adjustment differences between the two cylinders.
Before committing the trim tables, I saw that the rear cylinder had far more trim adjustments than the front cylinder. That is the advantage of the dual channel Auto-Tune where you get a custom map for each cylinder. If anyone has similar modifications on their Spyder and are investing in a PCV, but don't want to purchase the AutoTune, I can send you my latest map.
Before committing the trim tables, I saw that the rear cylinder had far more trim adjustments than the front cylinder. That is the advantage of the dual channel Auto-Tune where you get a custom map for each cylinder. If anyone has similar modifications on their Spyder and are investing in a PCV, but don't want to purchase the AutoTune, I can send you my latest map.
Magdave
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Did you have the 2013-9 ECM update done? If not maybe they evened out the 2 cylinders a little mine seems to be a bit more smooth on take off. Not sure if it was fuel management changes or not:dontknow:
stewartj239
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I have not had it done, but I have not ruled it out yet. My bet is that the update did include FI mapping changes. When you look at the adjustments on the PCV base map and the adjustments being made by the AutoTune compared to stock, they are adding fuel to the map. I still think that the OEM map is lean which is part of the reason for the heat issues.
Magdave
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If you DO get it done you will be able to compare maps and tells us if it did richen it up since BRP has kept the details secret.:thumbup:
If I'm reading those tables correctly, fuel is being added at part throttle and subtracted when the throttle is at 60% and above. That would tell me the engine was running lean at cruise, which is expected, but I'm somewhat surprised that at full throttle, the OEM mixture may need to be leaned out by up to 20%.
stewartj239
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That is how I read it too. The AutoTune is at least 8% richer up to 60% throttle and in some cases up to 24% leaner at full throttle. So the OEM map is lean where most people do their riding and rich more toward full throttle. What I can tell you is that the FI right now is perfect on the bike.
spacetiger
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Any early reports on the MPG with these changes?
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stewartj239
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I haven't been tracking it so far, but will starting with the next fill up. I am pretty sure the needle is moving quicker than before which is what I would expect. When I added the PCV to my VFR, I lost about 4 MPG.
stewartj239
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I'm getting 27 MPG, down from 30 MPG. That is about what I expected. The bike is running flawlessly.
stewartj239
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Today I checked the trim tables for the second time and have posted the trims for each cylinder below. The AutoTune is still adjusting both cylinders independently and just like the last time I checked the trims, it is making more adjustments to the rear cylinder than the front. The AutoTune adjustments made have mainly leaned out the front cylinder and richened up the rear cylinder. I know that V-Twins have a reputation for the rear cylinder running hotter / leaner than front and I think that these trim tables help to support that theory.
stewartj239
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I decided to roll the dice and had the ECM update done today on my bike. I put about 35 miles on it tonight and luckily the bike is running just fine. Right now, I have the AutoTune set to adjust at +/- 20%, so I'm sure it was adjusting that whole time. After my ride to / from work tomorrow, that will put me at 100 miles, so I'll check the trim tables tomorrow night and see which way the AutoTune is adjusting the new ECM map. I'm hoping to tell if the new map has richer fuel settings over the original map.
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