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Magic Mirrors causing gauges to misread

Before these Magic Mirrors & their magnets ever hit the streets, they were very carefully checked over by instrument experts, who suggested the use of Stainless Steel screws to hold the magnets to the chassis insted of ferric screws - so the screws used are stainless, austenitic stainless, so that it's largely non magnetic & will transfer at best a TINY portion of the magnetic field that exists around the magnets. On top of that, they highlighted that the magnets would be held onto the chassis, which was thick enough to severly limit any significant magnetic field issues re the gauges; besides which, since they already had to contend with the closer & stronger(?) magnets in the speakers, the gauges themselves were constructed & mounted in such a way that their working bits are largely protected from any external magnetic fields, especially when they are: small, like those the mounts might create; more than an inch or so away, which they are; & particularly if the mounts are installed correctly! They convinced us that the gauges themselves would not be effected by putting the magnetic mirror mounts where they needed to go.

When we discovered that a few installations (very few actually, less than a couple of percent) DID have gauges acting up after the magnets were installed, we went back to the experts, didn't take it upon ourselves, but actually took this to some of the premier instrument makers in the world, & they kindly looked at the problem & told us that the only way the gauges would be effected like that was if the wiring leading to the gauges was being effected enough by the micro field to allow some additional current to be produced in the wiring - however, any such current would be a tiny amount of 'extra current' & if it made a difference to a gauge then it would mean that the wiring insulation or a joint was very likely compromised somehow, & that the wires MUST ALSO be moving in the magnetic field, as small as that was likely to be!! So it could easily be remedied, either by fixing the wires (ie, repairing/replacing any compromised insulation/joins etc AND by stopping them from moving); by moving the wires further away (ie, putting them back where the OE Loom had them sited); or by further reducing the magnetic field... they allowed that IF ALL the magnets had their polarity aligned identically, the range of the magnetic field might just be enough for a very weak field to extend close enough to effect compromised wiring enough to create a micro current if the wires in the OE position moved, but if that was the case then flipping the closest magnet should reduce the weak magnetic field even further, & so remedy the problem!! :dontknow:

Now this wasn't (& isn't) me being some keyboard warrior & spouting off about what I think about all this, it's simply me passing on what the EXPERTS have told us about these magnets & these gauges & their potential interactions... you can take it or leave it or do with it as you will - I've passed on what I KNOW about the subject, not what I suspect or suppose, but (in some cases almost word for word) what I have learnt from the people who really do KNOW EVERYTHING about this sort of stuff. And I'm pretty sure that if you are seriously concerned about your analogue gauges not working properly due to the Magics, & you REALLY don't want to revert to using the significantly more accurate digital gauges & toss the analogues in the bin like most others, replacing them with something worthwhile, then you could contact Russ & negotiate with him re a refund - he's not trying to force you to use them, & I'm not trying to force you to understand this or even believe it - but between us we've done what we can to remedy something that many Spyder RT owners had issues with. We are very sorry if these Mirror Magics haven't worked for you personally & are happy to work with you to try & remedy your issue, just send us an email or PM explaining your problem. However, if us producing these mounts & doing this sort of thing plus our efforts to help others is something that sticks in your craw so much that you need to continually post up to denigrate it & pick at it at every opportunity like some here seem to do, then I truly am sorry for you! :sour:
 
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Before these Magic Mirrors & their magnets ever hit the streets, they were very carefully checked over by instrument experts, who suggested the use of Stainless Steel screws to hold the magnets to the chassis insted of ferric screws - so the screws used are stainless, austenitic stainless, so that it's largely non magnetic & will transfer at best a TINY portion of the magnetic field that exists around the magnets. On top of that, they highlighted that the magnets would be held onto the chassis, which was thick enough to severly limit any significant magnetic field issues re the gauges; besides which, since they already had to contend with the closer & stronger(?) magnets in the speakers, the gauges themselves were constructed & mounted in such a way that their working bits are largely protected from any external magnetic fields, especially when they are: small, like those the mounts might create; more than an inch or so away, which they are; & particularly if the mounts are installed correctly! They convinced us that the gauges themselves would not be effected by putting the magnetic mirror mounts where they needed to go.

When we discovered that a few installations (very few actually, less than a couple of percent) DID have gauges acting up after the magnets were installed, we went back to the experts, didn't take it upon ourselves, but actually took this to some of the premier instrument makers in the world, & they kindly looked at the problem & told us that the only way the gauges would be effected like that was if the wiring leading to the gauges was being effected enough by the micro field to allow some additional current to be produced in the wiring - however, any such current would be a tiny amount of 'extra current' & if it made a difference to a gauge then it would mean that the wiring insulation or a joint was very likely compromised somehow, & that the wires MUST ALSO be moving in the magnetic field, as small as that was likely to be!! So it could easily be remedied, either by fixing the wires (ie, repairing/replacing any compromised insulation/joins etc AND by stopping them from moving); by moving the wires further away (ie, putting them back where the OE Loom had them sited); or by further reducing the magnetic field... they allowed that IF ALL the magnets had their polarity aligned identically, the range of the magnetic field might just be enough for a very weak field to extend close enough to effect compromised wiring enough to create a micro current if the wires in the OE position moved, but if that was the case then flipping the closest magnet should reduce the weak magnetic field even further, & so remedy the problem!! :dontknow:

Now this wasn't (& isn't) me being some keyboard warrior & spouting off about what I think about all this, it's simply me passing on what the EXPERTS have told us about these magnets & these gauges & their potential interactions... you can take it or leave it or do with it as you will - I've passed on what I KNOW about the subject, not what I suspect or suppose, but (in some cases almost word for word) what I have learnt from the people who really do KNOW EVERYTHING about this sort of stuff. And I'm pretty sure that if you are seriously concerned about your analogue gauges not working properly due to the Magics, & you REALLY don't want to revert to using the significantly more accurate digital gauges & toss the analogues in the bin like most others, replacing them with something worthwhile, then you could contact Russ & negotiate with him re a refund - he's not trying to force you to use them, & I'm not trying to force you to understand this or even believe it - but between us we've done what we can to remedy something that many Spyder RT owners had issues with. We are very sorry if these Mirror Magics haven't worked for you personally & are happy to work with you to try & remedy your issue, just send us an email or PM explaining your problem. However, if us producing these mounts & doing this sort of thing plus our efforts to help others is something that sticks in your craw so much that you need to continually post up to denigrate it & pick at it at every opportunity like some here seem to do, then I truly am sorry for you! :sour:

Finally, a real answer that explains the issues reported as well as some of the fixes and why they appeared to work. Thank you for the effort and information.
 
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NO, No, No

If you do decide to run two magnets and the "C" retainer on each mirror, take the two leftover magnets and secure them to the outside of the oil filter housing to trap micro ferrous particles and lessen engine wear.
You do NOT want to put the unused magnets on the oil filter. It screws up the shift sensor (tells what gear you are in on your display). I know, I did it. Said I was in 4th gear, was only in 2nd. Gave me the appropriate error code.

As far as the magnetic fields messing with the gauges? I removed the gauges and played with them and a magnet. You have to be at least 8 inches to keep from messing with the gauges. I did the reverse, on the top magnet. Still messed with the gauges as I lowered them into place. Took them out completely, installed a nice voltage gauge in the temp hole, and dual USB ports on the fuel side.
 
No problems with my magic mirrors

I have had the magic mirrors on my bike for about 2 months and many miles without any problems. Just my experience so far.
 
I have the magic mirrors on my bike for a few months now with no problems at all. I think they are the best thing I have added to the bike bar none sure beats the heck out of smashing the mirrors off. A great product that I would recommend to anyone.
 
IT WORKS

Lamonster mentioned this when we visited him in Springfield. I already had mine mounted with no issues at all.

He stated if that happens, just take the magnet off and flip it (reverse it - so that the other side points towards the inside of the bike).....That's what I heard and understood - hope it helps. Again, I've had mine on for 2 months now with no issues.

Same problem here....temp gauge did not work.....reversed and temp gauge worked but in opposite direction....reversed back only on one of the magnets and bingo, works perfectly....I also mounted the magnets only on the bottom and kept the original hook on at the top....Very happy with it.....sweet riding everyone!!!!!!
 
Gauges

I got magic mirrors early before anyone mentioned possible problems with the gauges, installed them in the spring before taking my bike out of storage so when my temp gauge did not work I just assumed that it went bad over the winter, not wanting to spend the money to replace it I just disconnected the analog gauges and tossed them, best thing I ever did, I like the digital gauges better.

Glad I didn't know about repositioning the magnets or I would still be watching be wondering how much fuel I had as it down below 1/2 tank.

Oh bye the way, Brillant Peter, makes me want to change my own oil.
 
MAGNETS & GUAGE Malfunction

I have done some research on Magnets ...... and frankly I don't understand how Flipping the Magnet ( ie reversing the polarity ) ..... is going to effect the elec. Guages ..... They can't know what Polarity is on what side :dontknow::dontknow::dontknow: ......... The magnets I use have directional magnetic strength ie. they have 90% strength in one direction and 10% in the other ( the guage side )..... this is because they are encased in a steel cup, which A. improves the strength of the magnet and B. directs which way the magnetic waves are going ...Plus C. if they should break / shatter etc. they will work the same ( maybe better ) because they are EPOXIED into that Cup........... Mike :thumbup:
 
My Magic Mirrors work perfectly with no gauge problems. Can't say the same for the LED headlights I recently installed. One failed on the trip we just got back from.:shocked::(:(

Lew L
 
Magnets

I put the two bottom magnets on and left the top Factory. Just went 1900 miles last week and no problems with the gauges.
 
Magic Mirrors on a 2018 RT?

Just curious if anyone has has issues with these on a 2018 and the full LCD screen as I know computer screens do not like magnets.
 
Just curious if anyone has has issues with these on a 2018 and the full LCD screen as I know computer screens do not like magnets.

As the latest Spyder RT 2018 with the LCD Screen no longer has the additional gauges fitted The space is now occupied by extra Audio speakers as these also use magnets I wonder if the magic mirrors would cause issues with them
 
As the latest Spyder RT 2018 with the LCD Screen no longer has the additional gauges fitted The space is now occupied by extra Audio speakers as these also use magnets I wonder if the magic mirrors would cause issues with them

I don't know if I'll be able to find out, I use the Bluetooth in my helmet from my phone for audio instead of the speakers.
 
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