Lower Brake Pedal on 2021 Spyder RTL

[Twidget]

I am 6'2". I would really like a lower brake pedal but I am getting used to it. Have only had the Spyder two weeks, have almost 200 miles and the more I ride the more I am getting used to the pedal but lowering it would still be nice and I would be will to pay a reasonable price for something that does the job well.

Maybe Lamonster will see all the interest on this and come up with something. ray:

 

[Snoking1127]

Don't raise the bridge, lower the river!

 

[HayRog]

This thread pertains to 2020 & 2021 RT/RTL models. The info probably isn't going to help much on your '15.

Yeah, I realize I "invaded" a thread. Just thought I may get some helpful information out of it.

 

[Michaelscs]

Yeah, I realize I "invaded" a thread. Just thought I may get some helpful information out of it.

I don't think you "invaded" at all. I just didn't want you to think the info discussed would all necessarily work on your bike.

 

[Jcummins]

I made a comment about having to notch the floorboard so the brake pedal wouldn't hit the floor board. Made those comments by just visualizing my 2020 RTL floorboards and this evening I took a closer look and realize the floorboard is already that way, so that interference with the brake pedal to the floorboard shouldn't be a problem. It also looks like this could be turned on the spline and still have brake pedal left before it would get even with a floorboard. Has anyone actually tried to move the brake pedal on the spline to see if in fact that's going to work?

With pretty bad knees working the brake pedal is a bit of an issue for me even to the point that I thought about maybe I should consider a handbrake. In fact from riding motorcycles my reaction time in applying the brake may improve, since I've reached for the handbrake more than once riding this spider.

 

[HayRog]

I don't think you "invaded" at all. I just didn't want you to think the info discussed would all necessarily work on your bike.

Oh - I took nothing bad from your comment, it was spot on. I've picked up a couple of useful ideas from this thread though. All's good

 

[TIMMB]

Has anyone actually tried to move the brake pedal on the spline to see if in fact that's going to work? See post #12

 

[Peteoz]

Has anyone actually tried to move the brake pedal on the spline to see if in fact that's going to work? See post #12

Sorry Tim, but your question has really confused me, since YOU said in post #12 that you tried it and it didn’t work as the splines were too coarse. Am I missing something? (Wouldn’t be the first timehyea

Pete

 

[Peter Aawen]

Has anyone actually tried to move the brake pedal on the spline to see if in fact that's going to work? See post #12

As the OP of post #12 mentioned, moving the pedal on the spline doesn't work - in fact, it can't work because the actuating rod length will still remain the same - and without changing the pedal lever itself, it's that rod length that determines the pedal height....

Given that you have a fixed brake cyl piston position; a given length actuating rod; a fixed pedal pivot point (albeit with splines to allow proper positioning for brake actuation); and a fixed length pedal lever...... moving the pedal on the spline is really only likely to mess up the brake actuation, either forcing the brakes to be ON all the time, or it'll mean the pedal 'push length' probably won't ever fully apply them! :shocked:

So the only real solutions to change the pedal height involve either moving the fixed points at each end, which is sorta hard to do & so unlikley; or to change the rod &/or pedal lever length, and it's a fair bit easier to change the rod length than it is to modify/replace the pedal lever itself - even if it's just by drilling a new hole in the connecting yoke on the end of the rod. :thumbup:

 

[Snoking1127]

As the OP of post #12 mentioned, moving the pedal on the spline doesn't work - in fact, it can't work because the actuating rod length will still remain the same - and without changing the pedal lever itself, it's that rod length that determines the pedal height....

Given that you have a fixed brake cyl piston position; a given length actuating rod; a fixed pedal pivot point (albeit with splines to allow proper positioning for brake actuation); and a fixed length pedal lever...... moving the pedal on the spline is really only likely to mess up the brake actuation, either forcing the brakes to be ON all the time, or it'll mean the pedal 'push length' probably won't ever fully apply them! :shocked:

So the only real solutions to change the pedal height involve either moving the fixed points at each end, which is sorta hard to do & so unlikley; or to change the rod &/or pedal lever length, and it's a fair bit easier to change the rod length than it is to modify/replace the pedal lever itself - even if it's just by drilling a new hole in the connecting yoke on the end of the rod. :thumbup:

I think what Timmb was saying on post #12 that moving it one spline position lowered it to much.

 

[TIMMB]

Sorry for the confusion I posted that in reference to Post 25 where he asked if anyone had actually tried it. I did, it doesn't work the pedal much too low if you can move it. Actually I remember now the spline is indexed you can't change it.

 

[TIMMB]

The brake rod is the answer. Similar to what was done with the f3. I relocated the hole on my f3. As you can see from the picture they put stops on these and you can't just slide it forward or back. You either have to grind off the stop and you could redrill. Or shorten the bar. One hole with is about a quarter of an inch drops the pedal one half an inch. I have a spare bar from my f3 that's to long I might play with it to modify it and see how that works.

 

[TIMMB]

I mocked up a spare F3 bar I had. An eighth of an inch shorter drops it 5/8 to 3/4 of an inch. I don't think you want to go more than an inch. I'm sure Lamont will make a solid replacement bar if there's enough demand. Like the ones he made for the F3. No one wants the liability of an adjustable bar.

 

[Peteoz]

Brilliant.....thanks Tim. I might need the pedal to go 2” if I drop the boards an inch or so lower. Just by way of “speculation” based on your experience, do you think it would be possible to take a half inch off the bar to drop the pedal 2”, or is that out of the question?

Pete

 

[Peteoz]

As the OP of post #12 mentioned, moving the pedal on the spline doesn't work
:thumbup:

Yeah, Pete, but that’s what confused me. The poster of #12 was Timmb, and it was Timmb asking in post #27 if anyone had tried moving the brake pedal on the spline :dontknow: . As you know, I am easily confused :thumbup: ....... Tim has now clarified in a later post :2thumbs:

Pete

 

[Michaelscs]

Brilliant.....thanks Tim. I might need the pedal to go 2” if I drop the boards an inch or so lower. Just by way of “speculation” based on your experience, do you think it would be possible to take a half inch off the bar to drop the pedal 2”, or is that out of the question?

Pete

Pete, I think your going to run into trouble trying to lower your boards with your Lamonster kit idea. I took a close look under the boards at the brake lever today. The brake arm/lever runs about a 1/2" from the bottom of the boards until in bends up through the cutout opening in the boards. I took a picture to try to show it.

Mike

 

[TIMMB]

I don't think you can go much more than an inch drop without losing the leverage you need to be safe.

 

[Peter Aawen]

I don't think you can go much more than an inch drop without losing the leverage you need to be safe.

Even in the normal course of events, Peteoz has got plenty of leverage! :roflblack:

But even so, if he ever needs to 'stand' on the brake pedal, you can be assured that pedal will bloody well stay stood on! :yikes:

I think it's got something to do with his 'well over 6ft tall height & 300(+?) Lbs of weight..... Oh, and maybe his size 'freakin ginormous' boots too!


Good thing he's a gentle fella.... you are, aren't you Pete?? :dontknow: :shocked: . Now come on Pete, it was only a little joke.... orright already, maybe not quite that little, but still :chill:


:thumbup:

 

[Peteoz]

Pete, I think your going to run into trouble trying to lower your boards with your Lamonster kit idea. I took a close look under the boards at the brake lever today. The brake arm/lever runs about a 1/2" from the bottom of the boards until in bends up through the cutout opening in the boards. I took a picture to try to show it.

Mike

Bugger........thanks, Mike, that’s very good of you to have a look. Might be a set of floorboard risers going to a lucky Aussie recipient shortly. I’ll see how they go IF the new RTs ever arrive in Oz.

Pete

 

[Peteoz]

Good thing he's a gentle fella.... you are, aren't you Pete?? :dontknow: :shocked: . Now come on Pete, it was only a little joke.... orright already, maybe not quite that little, but still :chill:
:thumbup:

Hahaha......yep, I’m a gentle fellow, Peter, but my “twin” isn’t. I’m sending him around to have a chat to you. I’m the “Danny DeVito” of the pair hyea:
.......and yeah, leverage is not something I’m in short supply of :roflblack:

Pete