Laser alignment

[jwulf74]

That is awesome to hear that there will be a couple of places in MN now. That is a doable distance for me. :thumbup:

 

[bill pitman]

Just....

Bill,

I'm new to this and you mention steering sensors. Once you have a laser alignment, do you still have to have the steering sensors checked? I had a laser align a few weeks ago and didn't have the steering sensors checked and the spyder seems to be tracking properly.

a precaution.

I had made slight adjustments to my toe settings several years ago, which did help with a tire wear problem.
I never had the steering sensors " zeroed out " after that was done.
Now since I am having an offical alignment done, I just want to " cover the bases" and decided I would have the sensors zeroed out. I don't know what amount of forgiveness is built into the sensors tolerances.
It's just a precaution on my part, but then I tend to be cautious about most things.

Bill

 

[FLAlaserman]

Limp Mode

a precaution.

I had made slight adjustments to my toe settings several years ago, which did help with a tire wear problem.
I never had the steering sensors " zeroed out " after that was done.
Now since I am having an offical alignment done, I just want to " cover the bases" and decided I would have the sensors zeroed out. I don't know what amount of forgiveness is built into the sensors tolerances.
It's just a precaution on my part, but then I tend to be cautious about most things.

Bill

Bill is correct out of the 30 or so alignments that Norm and I have done only ONE was perfect from the factory( Bob Ledfords) and ONE was so bad when they left and got down the road it went into "limp mode" guess the computor thought it was supposed to be that bad and when we corrected it the computor thought something was wrong...I would say that after your laser aligment within 30 minutes if it doesn't go into limp mode it will not, you are fine. Norm took my Spyder up to Daytona and tried to go up the bank on the super speedway and it went into "limp mode" he is such a hot shot guess he was trying to pass the riders in front of him...!

 

[Tango]

a precaution.

I had made slight adjustments to my toe settings several years ago, which did help with a tire wear problem.
I never had the steering sensors " zeroed out " after that was done.
Now since I am having an offical alignment done, I just want to " cover the bases" and decided I would have the sensors zeroed out. I don't know what amount of forgiveness is built into the sensors tolerances.
It's just a precaution on my part, but then I tend to be cautious about most things.

Bill

Bill where are you going to get it done? :f_spider: Tom :trike:

 

[NancysToy]

Bill is correct out of the 30 or so alignments that Norm and I have done only ONE was perfect from the factory( Bob Ledfords) and ONE was so bad when they left and got down the road it went into "limp mode" guess the computor thought it was supposed to be that bad and when we corrected it the computor thought something was wrong...I would say that after your laser aligment within 30 minutes if it doesn't go into limp mode it will not, you are fine. Norm took my Spyder up to Daytona and tried to go up the bank on the super speedway and it went into "limp mode" he is such a hot shot guess he was trying to pass the riders in front of him...!

If changes are made to the steering components, the sensors are supposed to be recalibrated afterwards. You are absolutely right in your theory that the one Spyder was so far out of whack the sensors thought it was bad after the realignment, and put it into limp mode. There is a small amount of deadband (since the first steering recall back in 2009 or 2010), but changes outside that deadband would cause immediate limp mode. Even if the changes are within the deadband, the Spyder can go into limp mode after a long mismatch, like side winds or long sweeping curves, or it can pull to one side and even wear down a brake pad, as the VSS tries to "correct" the steering. Zeroing the steering sensors on BUDS is highly recommended after any alignment work or suspension changes.

The Spyder doesn't like the high banks, especially at relatively low speeds (< 100) because of the yaw sensor. It thinks the Spyder is unstable and triggers the VSS "Save Your Butt" mode.

 

[FLAlaserman]

MN ROLO dealers

That is awesome to hear that there will be a couple of places in MN now. That is a doable distance for me. :thumbup:

One ROLO dealer will be in Wyoming , MN

 

[bill pitman]

Lake George,

Bill where are you going to get it done? :f_spider: Tom :trike:

while at SpyderQuest Sept. 19-21,
Thursday, they will be setup at the Studio Motel,
Friday, they will be setup at Progressive Motosports,
Saturday, ?

Bill

 

[spyder3]

So, if a dealer was doing this lazer alignment, would he zero out the sensors before doing it, or after?

 

[NancysToy]

So, if a dealer was doing this lazer alignment, would he zero out the sensors before doing it, or after?

It should be done after, if any steering component adjustments were made.

 

[FLAlaserman]

Spderquest

while at SpyderQuest Sept. 19-21,
Thursday, they will be setup at the Studio Motel,
Friday, they will be setup at Progressive Motosports,
Saturday, ?

Bill

Bill the ROLO boys will still be there but Saturday is a real BUSY day for Spyder riders...if need be they can set up again at Progressive on Saturday ...hoping to get the bulk of alignments done Thursday @ Studio Hotel and Friday @ Progressive. Maybe if some riders lag behind because of alignment appts. you can give them a catch up point & time on your ride that day so they don't miss all of it. Your thoughts??

 

[FLAlaserman]

So happy to see smileing spyder ryders sounds like the laser is the way to go for a proper alignment,When i need to have new tires installed ill have my 2012 RSS laser aligned as well at our local shop thanks to CFPS for getting this wonderful machine it takes the guess work out of a truley wonderful ride.
Mike

Mike don't wait do it now and your old tires will last TWICE as long.... head right to CFPS % Kissimmee, FL
say hello to Chris from us

 

[FLAlaserman]

you are so smart

If changes are made to the steering components, the sensors are supposed to be recalibrated afterwards. You are absolutely right in your theory that the one Spyder was so far out of whack the sensors thought it was bad after the realignment, and put it into limp mode. There is a small amount of deadband (since the first steering recall back in 2009 or 2010), but changes outside that deadband would cause immediate limp mode. Even if the changes are within the deadband, the Spyder can go into limp mode after a long mismatch, like side winds or long sweeping curves, or it can pull to one side and even wear down a brake pad, as the VSS tries to "correct" the steering. Zeroing the steering sensors on BUDS is highly recommended after any alignment work or suspension changes.

The Spyder doesn't like the high banks, especially at relatively low speeds (< 100) because of the yaw sensor. It thinks the Spyder is unstable and triggers the VSS "Save Your Butt" mode.

Spyder riders should be so thankful to have someone as knowledgeable as you...every blog I read from you .... I learn more and more about the Spyder , I usually have to learn things the old fashion way...the school of hard knocks! TY for your clear and simple imput