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blackcrowe

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klunky shifting (2014 ST Limited SE5) PLEASE HELP!

I've been driving an 2014 ST Limited for about a month now and I cannot figure this out on getting smooth shifting. Its always inconsistent. I don't know if it's normal or the bike or just me but in any case it just doesn't seam to be good for the bike but I could be wrong. I'm new to motorcycle riding but I've been driving a car with manual shift for about 25 years so know the concept. I've been told by Can Am that the shifting varies around 4-5k but also depends on the load so it's just me on the bike and no other load, and to go to the dealer. I don't want to go to the dealer yet if it's normal or just me. I tried varying the RPMs when shifting and cannot get a smooth transition except for maybe 3rd to 4th which is around 3800 RPMs and 4th to 5th which is around 3800-4200 RPMS. But again it's inconsistent even in those gears and even they klunk sometimes. Shifting in reverse there always a klunk, Shifting from 1st into 2nd is the worst and just about every time there's a klunk. And from 2nd to 3rd but not as bad as 1st to 2nd.

Could someone please help me out here if experiencing or experienced this issue?
 
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The problem may be that you are shifting at too low of RPM's. You will get a klunking sound when shifting from neutral to first or neutral to reverse. But once in first get your RPM's up to 5200 to 5700 before upshifting and don't roll back on the throttle when you do. The Spyder should shift smoothly. The 998 v-twin likes high RPM's.
 
blackcrowe said:
I've been driving an 2014 ST Limited for about a month now and I cannot figure this out on getting smooth shifting. Its always inconsistent. I don't know if it's normal or the bike or just me but in any case it just doesn't seam to be good for the bike but I could be wrong. I'm new to motorcycle riding but I've been driving a car with manual shift for about 25 years so know the concept. I've been told by Can Am that the shifting varies around 4-5k but also depends on the load so it's just me on the bike and no other load, and to go to the dealer. I don't want to go to the dealer yet if it's normal or just me. I tried varying the RPMs when shifting and cannot get a smooth transition except for maybe 3rd to 4th which is around 3800 RPMs and 4th to 5th which is around 3800-4200 RPMS. But again it's inconsistent even in those gears and even they klunk sometimes. Shifting in reverse there always a klunk, Shifting from 1st into 2nd is the worst and just about every time there's a klunk. And from 2nd to 3rd but not as bad as 1st to 2nd.

Could someone please help me out here if experiencing or experienced this issue?
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Optimum shift point on the 998 Rotax seems to be in the 4500 - 5500 rpm range. I usually find that gives seamless shifts. There is always a klunk from neutral to first. It seems to become quieter after the :spyder2: has warmed up a bit. I usually manually downshift at between 4500 and 5000--once again resulting in seamless shifts. Second to 1st at 2500 or so.

If you are experiencing erratic klunks and noise between gears you might give the oil level a check. Low oil can have an adverse reaction on the tranny.

Beyond the above, it may be necessary to take the vehicle into the dealer for a look see.
 
Appreciate the replies.

I check the oil quite often, It looks to be slightly above half way. That's another story. I really can't stand the way to check the oil with these. It's really not as clearly defined like it is when checking the oil cold.

Really about 5K? I've never taken it above that but I'll try that next time. And that's for all the gears? I wasn't sure with revving it that high, didn't seem right to me. Especially in stop and go traffic which I do have to contend with on part of my commute. I'd be revving it in first. I asked this question when I first got the bike and I got varying answers from 3800 to 4200 and from Can Am 4-5k. Nothing seems to work but I'll try your recommendations and see or next stop is back to the dealer.
 
When I had my 2012 RT I never shifted before at least 5200-5500 rpms. the 998 rotax needs the higher rpms for better performance. The only time i was in 5th gear was when I was going at least 65 mph. You are doing your machine an injustice if you don't start shifting at higher rpms. downshift when you are at 4000 rpms.
 
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you are talking about an semi automatic transmission. 1st and reverse will klunk because you are engaging an idle transmission to a running engine. Once in gear both will be running making the shifts smoother. Your clutch is not fully engaged till over 3,500 rpm's making shifts around there klunk so the higher the smoother. These are high rpm engines and though mine is manual I run upwards 6,000 and shifts are smooth even without using the clutch. It is a bit hard to get used to but once you find the spot it will become second nature....:thumbup:
 
Chupaca said:
...Your clutch is not fully engaged till over 3,500 rpm...
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Are you sure about that? I've been relying on what I read previously on here, that SE5 clutch lockup is at 3,200 rpm +/- 200 rpm. For a maximum of 3,400 rpm with any slippage happening. Wasn't it Scotty who wrote that?
 
I shift my RSS at a wide range of RPMs with out clunking. It just takes practice. Learning to shift without using the clutch helps. With practice you can shift it smooth as an automatic.
 
You can't compare motorcycle shifting to car shifting. They are world's apart.
First, your shifting at way to low of rpm's. Again, it's not a car and your going to run much higher rpm's. A good rule of thumb is to double your car rpm's and that's about what you'll see on th bike.
Second, the transmission gears are straight cut gears. This makes it super easy to shift with no clutch/synchronization but the shifts can feel clunky at times.
Third, it's a wet clutch. Shift feel can change quite a bit depending on oil level as well as oil temp.

Basically, everything your experiencing is normal, especially when your shifting way to early. Double your revs and you'll be fine.

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From the wording of your post I'm assuming that you have a manual transmission. (SM5)

(Wrong again!!)
As the guys above has said, you need to apply more revs but the main obstacle to smooth shifting
through the box on a bike is familiarity and practice. You will soon become accustomed to the
amount of movement you have to apply to the clutch lever and synchronising that with foot shifting.

All of the bikes I've owned 'klunk' when engaging first gear from neutral and the Spyder will do this
shifting into reverse also.
 
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Thanks for all the replies.

I have the SE5. Not letting up on the throttle when shifting. The consensus seems to be over 5K RPMs. I'll try that when riding today.
 
blackcrowe said:
I've been driving an 2014 ST Limited for about a month now and I cannot figure this out on getting smooth shifting. Its always inconsistent. I don't know if it's normal or the bike or just me but in any case it just doesn't seam to be good for the bike but I could be wrong. I'm new to motorcycle riding but I've been driving a car with manual shift for about 25 years so know the concept. I've been told by Can Am that the shifting varies around 4-5k but also depends on the load so it's just me on the bike and no other load, and to go to the dealer. I don't want to go to the dealer yet if it's normal or just me. I tried varying the RPMs when shifting and cannot get a smooth transition except for maybe 3rd to 4th which is around 3800 RPMs and 4th to 5th which is around 3800-4200 RPMS. But again it's inconsistent even in those gears and even they klunk sometimes. Shifting in reverse there always a klunk, Shifting from 1st into 2nd is the worst and just about every time there's a klunk. And from 2nd to 3rd but not as bad as 1st to 2nd.

Could someone please help me out here if experiencing or experienced this issue?
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Black Crowe; please note that all of the information you have been given is for the 998 Rotax, not the triple your riding. Might be helpful to identify whether you have a manual shift or the SE transmission. I'm sure others will chime in with more accurate information once this is clarified for them. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
 
IGETAROUND said:
Black Crowe; please note that all of the information you have been given is for the 998 Rotax, not the triple your riding. Might be helpful to identify whether you have a manual shift or the SE transmission. I'm sure others will chime in with more accurate information once this is clarified for them. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
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I thought the 2014 RT was the only triple. The ST is 998cc; isn't it?
 
blackcrowe said:
Thanks for all the replies.

I have the SE5. Not letting up on the throttle when shifting. The consensus seems to be over 5K RPMs. I'll try that when riding today.
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If you have the throttle twisted too much it will not be a super smooth shift. If you are accelerating lightly it will be.I shift between 5&6k usually sometimes up to 8k when winding it out. That said I still blip it on the shift( when running hard) and you cannot tell I shifted other than an RPM change. I have been working on trying to see how smooth I can shift at various acceleration point and it works for me it feels like a CVT with just a slight blip. I know you do not have to but with my wife on the back I try to make the ride as smooth as possible.:thumbup:
 
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another thing is don't run the rpms up then settle before you shift if your running at say 53oo rpm and 28 mph then traffic opens allowing you to increase speed be sure your in the throttle before shifting if not it will klunk
blackcrowe said:
Thanks for all the replies.

I have the SE5. Not letting up on the throttle when shifting. The consensus seems to be over 5K RPMs. I'll try that when riding today.
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