Key Duplication

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

That's why I went with the "Hawaiian connection", for the cloning part of this exercise... :thumbup:

Does he say specifically he can do the 2014 key? If not, you may have gone down the wrong rabbit hole!:dontknow::yikes:

 

[Magdave]

That's why I went with the "Hawaiian connection", for the cloning part of this exercise... :thumbup:

 

[Bob Denman]

Does he say specifically he can do the 2014 key? If not, you may have gone down the wrong rabbit hole!:dontknow::yikes:

During my several communications with him; I have always mentioned the year of my bike. It hasn't set off any alarms.. YET! :shocked:

Time will tell...
Tick...Tick...Tick...

 

[Gray Ghost]

I bought two of the Aprila blanks from one of the links on SL. Have been to two local Ace stores and two big box hardware stores. One Ace and one of the big box stores refused to even try to clone the keys. The other two tried but could not read the Can-Am key. So I wonder if the 14 key has changed, new chip or something?

On another thread it was mentioned that the 14 has a different chip.

 

[ulflyer]

On another thread it was mentioned that the 14 has a different chip.

I'll let you know next week if the '14 if different; I have one of the aftermarket keys, used successfully on my previous '11, on the way and should be here Monday or Tuesday. Local hardware did the cloning before.

 

[ulflyer]

Back when I was in the business of stealing vehicles, breaking them down into containers and shipping them to Eastern Europe I did a little studying of key chip technology.

I will make a little prediction.
Cloning the 2014 key won't be able to be done at the hardware store level.
The chip's write enable line, for the lack of a better term, is now controlled by BUDS.

The first bit of this post was a bit of a joke and the second part might be too.

You may be right, about the chip being diff, but being curious I just had to give it a try. Figured that if it don't work, someone with a pre'14 will get it at discount. I'll have the hardware check it before cutting it.

I know this has been answered a doz times but I couldn't find the ans; what is the advantage of having a non-chip key? Will it open the frunk as well as the trunk? If so, I'll go ahead and have the key cut and use it that way.

 

[Gray Ghost]

I know this has been answered a doz times but I couldn't find the ans; what is the advantage of having a non-chip key? Will it open the frunk as well as the trunk? If so, I'll go ahead and have the key cut and use it that way.

A cut key will open the locks even if it isn't programmed to start the byke.

 

[Yelhelp]

key history

Thanks Joe. So it looks they have a new process for programming new keys for 2014. From your previous thread we know that the blade of the key is the same profile. What we don't know is if the transponder chip the same. If it is still the T5 chip used making clone keys will be the same. If there is a different transponder chip for 2014, then a new blank needs to be found with a matching chip to clone keys from.

Any volunteers that are locksmiths or know one want to drop their 2014 key into a cloning machine and find out what chip it is?

25 years in the locksmith industry has taught me lots of stuff. I must say that in 1995 I made the choice to stop working on autos, that was when the auto industry started using a new technology GM came up with transistor blanks all the key cuts were different (some duplication) but they had 15 different transistor chips in the key as well.
That was trumped by Ford after a couple of years with transponders which equated to Millions of possibilities and off the industry went. It is a three stage system there are the blanks that can have different milling, the cuts (each cut with different depth and spacing so say 6 depths X 10 spaces or, 6 to the 10th power) and the transponder chips, which can be huge.
So manufactures can simply change one or all three and the consumer is safer, (Hey Bob that was driven by the insurance industry because of the cost of autos.)
If anyone is as old as I Baby boomers one and all, can remember it was once possible that the key that operated your car could and sometimes did start some one else's same make auto. That has changed because of that technology.

 

[ulflyer]

A cut key will open the locks even if it isn't programmed to start the byke.

Good deal, then I'll have it cut and use it for that purpose even if the chip doesn't work. For $13.50 I can't complain.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

If anyone is as old as I Baby boomers one and all, can remember it was once possible that the key that operated your car could and sometimes did start some one else's same make auto. That has changed because of that technology.

Back about 1958 a guy used a Chevy key to take my brother's 1955 Ford pickup for a joy ride!

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[Bob Denman]

Back when I was in the business of stealing vehicles, breaking them down into containers and shipping them to Eastern Europe I did a little studying of key chip technology.

Is this from back when you were funning with that Cousin's Sister's ex-Brother in-Law who could make "Magic", happen with a V.I.N.? :roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

:clap::clap: :thumbup:
How do you translate a "7", into Portugese? I could never get the accent just right...

 

[jaherbst]

My Dad's '60 Falcon could be started with a stubby screwdriver.

Oh Ya and just how would you know that? Did your Dad ever find out?

 

[Bob Denman]

UPDATE: You can't clone the new ones with the typical machines... :gaah:
The "Hawaiian Connection" just refunded my payment with a long and involved explanation that I didn't begin to understand... :shocked:

 

[billybovine]

UPDATE: You can't clone the new ones with the typical machines... :gaah:
The "Hawaiian Connection" just refunded my payment with a long and involved explanation that I didn't begin to understand... :shocked:

I am incredibly nosey and would be interest in reading what he said. Could you post his explanation? Thanks.

 

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: I hope that I didn't clean out the trash yet...
He was going to post the pertinent information on his website about this new discovery too.

 

[billybovine]

He has already updated his website with the statement "2008 to 2013 Can-Am Spyder 3-Wheelers (Not for 2014 models)." No other explanation.

 

[Bob Denman]

I'll go do some "Dumpster-Diving", in a little while...

 

[Bob Denman]

The Explanation

Here's what he says about this matter...

I think they can be cloned with the proper cloner and cloneable chip;
I have neither.

The 2008 thru 2013 models have a TP04 chip that I can clone onto my
TP05 cloneable chips. Your 2014 model has a TP12 Crypto chip and
requires a newer type cloner and the proper cloneable chip.

The key blanks I sell come with no chip and I insert a TP05 chip
before cloning them. The same key blanks can be used for your Spyder
except a different chip needs to be inserted before cloning your key.
I suggest you go to a large automotive locksmith that may have the
correct chip and cloner.

If you need the key blanks without the chip installed, I will sell
them to you for half price or $10 each. You can then insert the
proper chip (easy) and clone your key onto them if you can find a
locksmith that can do the job.

Your key will go out today. Thanks, John

 

[Gray Ghost]

I did find a place (http://www.keyblankdepot.com/product_p/jma3893.htm) that sells a TP12 crypto chip. The issue then would be to find the right key that would allow you to place the chip in it and a place that can clone TP12 keys. When I took my 2013 key to Ace to clone, they first put it in there checker and found that they could read it before ever trying anything with it. So you may want to see if a local Ace place or locksmith can read your current key and work from there.