I agree. Honda is testing a trike due to release in a couple of years, its a V6 with full auto tranny. I have not had any issues with my Spyder but reliability is a HUGE concern for me as I ride a lot. My dealer also sold almost every Spyder he had in stock and was very happy about it. My thoughts.
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I agree. Honda is testing a trike due to release in a couple of years, its a V6 with full auto tranny. I have not had any issues with my Spyder but reliability is a HUGE concern for me as I ride a lot. My dealer also sold almost every Spyder he had in stock and was very happy about it. My thoughts.
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Most likely that is because you don't understand all that has gone into the design of this truly unique vehicle. Way beyond what Harley has put into their trikes. The features that make this vehicle safe are truly unique and can't be compared to any other vehicle.
Easy Rider
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Pretty narrow view of things.
The high prices of ALL 3 wheel vehicles (except some scooters maybe) certainly is a credible factor in their sales volume.
Amen, brother!
CA Railwhale
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I live in Ventura, which is kind of on the northern end of Southern California, or the southern end of Central California depending on how you look at it. I know of only two other Spyders in the Ventura/Oxnard area and even when I go down to L.A. rarely see another Spyder on the road. Oddly enough they don't seem to be a west coast beast for some reason. I see even fewer Slingshots than Spyders. Given the weather here, you'd think they'd be more popular. Perhaps Can Am should come out with an entry level Spyder and try to hit that sub-ten grand price that many conventional bikes go for.
I live in Ventura, which is kind of on the northern end of Southern California, or the southern end of Central California depending on how you look at it. I know of only two other Spyders in the Ventura/Oxnard area and even when I go down to L.A. rarely see another Spyder on the road. Oddly enough they don't seem to be a west coast beast for some reason. I see even fewer Slingshots than Spyders. Given the weather here, you'd think they'd be more popular. Perhaps Can Am should come out with an entry level Spyder and try to hit that sub-ten grand price that many conventional bikes go for.
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As many of you know the Spyder Line is still a money loser for BRP. They are throwing lots of many at a marketing campaign in California, Florida and several other states where the ryding season is longer. Heck they are even paying for M1 endorsements for those people in states other than California, as they cant test drive one without it. They actually charge the Ryder $50.00 and BRP pays for the rest. They are traveling to all dealers in these states and bringing in multiple spyders for people to test drive. They are engaging with the local "Spyder Community" (SRA etc) to supply experienced "enthusiasts" to lead test rydes at these dealers. They have a targeted marketing plan to reach out to folks that have shown an interest in spyders locally and they invite them to a "Private" Test Ryde Event. They allow blocks of 1 hour per experienced rider and two hours for the non rider. This allows them plenty of time to get to know the machine and they spend between 20 and 30 minutes on the test ryde. My wife and I have been very involved in this campaign and have worked with several dealers in our area leading rydes and acting as the middle person between the ryde and the sales person. There are two frustrating factors here:
1.) BRP is spending the money to create these events at the local dealer. They have trained Spyder specialists at the event, they bring in refreshments, and as many as 4 spyders, Local Spyder enthusiasts to conduct the rydes and get people excited about spyders, and the dealers don't even promote the events. Web site info is provided but rarely used by the dealers to promote the event. They just don't get it. BTW my wife and I have sold spyders in every event that we have attended (5 on one weekend) actually my wife does the majority of the selling. Again with very little support from the dealer
2.) It has been so blasted hot in Nor-Cal this summer that we have had a lot of no shows.
Hopefully this campaign will bring a spike in Spyder sales. Folks there is a real chance these machines will go away BRP is not a Non-Profit organization. This is why we are so involved. We love our spyders and could not imagine what we would do with out them.
BRP is trying hard to make this work. Something is coming down the line. I have no idea what it might be. I just know that whenever I ask about what is coming down the line they start to look like the cat that ate the canary. In 2016 while sitting with the EVP for Design and Innovation, he asked what the Spyder line needed. One thing that was unanimous, in our opinion, was the Spyder needed an entry level model. We could see that this year.
As many of you know the Spyder Line is still a money loser for BRP. They are throwing lots of many at a marketing campaign in California, Florida and several other states where the ryding season is longer. Heck they are even paying for M1 endorsements for those people in states other than California, as they cant test drive one without it. They actually charge the Ryder $50.00 and BRP pays for the rest. They are traveling to all dealers in these states and bringing in multiple spyders for people to test drive. They are engaging with the local "Spyder Community" (SRA etc) to supply experienced "enthusiasts" to lead test rydes at these dealers. They have a targeted marketing plan to reach out to folks that have shown an interest in spyders locally and they invite them to a "Private" Test Ryde Event. They allow blocks of 1 hour per experienced rider and two hours for the non rider. This allows them plenty of time to get to know the machine and they spend between 20 and 30 minutes on the test ryde. My wife and I have been very involved in this campaign and have worked with several dealers in our area leading rydes and acting as the middle person between the ryde and the sales person. There are two frustrating factors here:
1.) BRP is spending the money to create these events at the local dealer. They have trained Spyder specialists at the event, they bring in refreshments, and as many as 4 spyders, Local Spyder enthusiasts to conduct the rydes and get people excited about spyders, and the dealers don't even promote the events. Web site info is provided but rarely used by the dealers to promote the event. They just don't get it. BTW my wife and I have sold spyders in every event that we have attended (5 on one weekend) actually my wife does the majority of the selling. Again with very little support from the dealer
2.) It has been so blasted hot in Nor-Cal this summer that we have had a lot of no shows.
Hopefully this campaign will bring a spike in Spyder sales. Folks there is a real chance these machines will go away BRP is not a Non-Profit organization. This is why we are so involved. We love our spyders and could not imagine what we would do with out them.
BRP is trying hard to make this work. Something is coming down the line. I have no idea what it might be. I just know that whenever I ask about what is coming down the line they start to look like the cat that ate the canary. In 2016 while sitting with the EVP for Design and Innovation, he asked what the Spyder line needed. One thing that was unanimous, in our opinion, was the Spyder needed an entry level model. We could see that this year.
Fatcycledaddy
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We as a litigious society have caused the price of anything mechanical, moves, and especially drives down the road, to be inflated drastically with all the opportunity of law suits against it.
Look at the many times in this forum alone where people have talked about "suing their pants off", of "suing them and putting them out of business".
This is also the reason for all of the cost of the redundancy checking that the computer does before start up, more than likely the reason for the hated DSS, and many other safety features on the Spyder, Harley, and any other thing that can be driven.
Look at the Chevy cobalt, learned that all the heavy things on a key ring would cause the ignition to shut off when driving causing accidents. That cost them millions!
Ford Explorer and Firestone got bad names and most of those problems were from low tire pressure and poor driving was my understanding of the situation.
Now we have VSS and TMPs on vehicles. How many thousands did that add per purchase and we have no option to have it or not.
From all of the bikes I have owned and ridden, the Can Am Spyder is a engineering marvel, not all perfect, and yes some things could be a little better, but what they have done is pretty amazing.
That's why I think Spyders should be sold and supported by big-volume independent dealers ... see my new thread
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...ent-dealer-network-in-addition-to-BRP-dealers
Or a goldwing, or a fully-outfitted touring bike from bmw, etc. Spyder isn't aiming for the low end of the market; there is a huge existing market of enthusiasts who can and will pay more for a sophisticated unique machine.
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You are right on about the "resale" value of our toys. If you buy them for that, you will be sorely disappointed. I have not made a single extra $ on any motorcycle, car, or boat since I started in the mid 60's. I have had a lot of fun playing with the latest and greatest though. Would I do it again? About 75% yes. :yes:
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To all of the "Chicken Littles" out there:
RELAX!! The sky isn't falling!
RELAX!! The sky isn't falling!
cheska
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On a Island with Spyders everywhere
Hi we live on Vancouver Island BC. A few years ago you would be lucky to see a Spyder when you drove up or down the island. The only way you can basically go. This summer it is not uncommon to see 3 or 4 Spyders every time we go out. The one local dealer
with 2 locations cannot keep used bikes in stock. Yes even 998's fly out of the buildings. Plus remember this is Canada where
we pay much more than you do in the states for comparable items. So maybe it is demographics as far as sales. Also just a comment about California and Spyders. Many times when I read a article about California and trikes the author does not like them
because you cannot lane split with a trike. Just my opinon which does not mean much. Bob
Hi we live on Vancouver Island BC. A few years ago you would be lucky to see a Spyder when you drove up or down the island. The only way you can basically go. This summer it is not uncommon to see 3 or 4 Spyders every time we go out. The one local dealer
with 2 locations cannot keep used bikes in stock. Yes even 998's fly out of the buildings. Plus remember this is Canada where
we pay much more than you do in the states for comparable items. So maybe it is demographics as far as sales. Also just a comment about California and Spyders. Many times when I read a article about California and trikes the author does not like them
because you cannot lane split with a trike. Just my opinon which does not mean much. Bob
I agree and is the reason I bought one. I tested a 2017 Harley FreeWheeler that rode ok but lacked the semi-auto tranny, power steering, ABS and traction Control. It also lacked the U-Fit that made my bike form-fitting. My Spyder was also a lot cheaper BUT I still don't feel my Spyder was worth the bucks I paid, but as I said......it sits in my garage so I bit the bullet and bought it.
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It is available to ryde and it will ryde for days at a time. We managed to put 8000 miles on our two spyders on just two trips! one Iron Butt, and a trip from California to Valcourt and back. You know the more miles you put on them the more they are worth what you paid for them. There is no value I can put on what I have seen in over 50000 miles of Spyder ryding. :yes::yes::yes::firstplace:
It is available to ryde and it will ryde for days at a time. We managed to put 8000 miles on our two spyders on just two trips! one Iron Butt, and a trip from California to Valcourt and back. You know the more miles you put on them the more they are worth what you paid for them. There is no value I can put on what I have seen in over 50000 miles of Spyder ryding. :yes::yes::yes::firstplace:
ThreeWheels
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My local dealer went out of business also
Dwight, you know who I mean.
It wasn't the Spyders or the Seadoos or Skidoos.
They were a combined dealership that also sold a lot of lawn tractors and powered lawn equipment.
The incursion of Home Depot, Lowes and Tractor Supply killed the lawn business, and they couldn't keep the shop open with just the powersports.
Dwight, you know who I mean.
It wasn't the Spyders or the Seadoos or Skidoos.
They were a combined dealership that also sold a lot of lawn tractors and powered lawn equipment.
The incursion of Home Depot, Lowes and Tractor Supply killed the lawn business, and they couldn't keep the shop open with just the powersports.
You lucky dog! Vancouver Island!
Anyway, yes I do think it is regional and dealer-driven as far as how well the local market is developed for Spyders. I think Can-Am probably has their target demographics pretty well dialed in.
crafty
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I see quite a few spyders between 3 states I ryde
I am always traveling between PA, WV and OH. Between those 3 states I see quite a few spyders. I also see a lot of trikes. The dealer network is slim and you have to travel pretty far for service. My husband has an Indian Roadmaster and there is a problem with the slim number of dealers. In the Indian world that is changing though. I have been blessed with a great spyder with little problems thank goodness. I love my bike and between my bike and my husbands Indian we get a lot of people coming up to us. We are the odd balls of the "other" bikes out there LOL. As long as the dealers have a "good service department" which is a big problem with some of the dealers I know, BRP should stay around. Every body dissed the Slingshot when it came out because of the oddity. Niche markets will always be a smaller market. Sustaining that market means good service and advertising.
I am always traveling between PA, WV and OH. Between those 3 states I see quite a few spyders. I also see a lot of trikes. The dealer network is slim and you have to travel pretty far for service. My husband has an Indian Roadmaster and there is a problem with the slim number of dealers. In the Indian world that is changing though. I have been blessed with a great spyder with little problems thank goodness. I love my bike and between my bike and my husbands Indian we get a lot of people coming up to us. We are the odd balls of the "other" bikes out there LOL. As long as the dealers have a "good service department" which is a big problem with some of the dealers I know, BRP should stay around. Every body dissed the Slingshot when it came out because of the oddity. Niche markets will always be a smaller market. Sustaining that market means good service and advertising.
How right you are! Thanks.
Easy Rider
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RELAX!! The sky isn't falling!
Well......there is mounting evidence that there is another economic "bubble" forming and it's bigger than the last one.
The sky might be falling......sometime soon.
And there also is mounting evidence that the opulence that the "first world" has enjoyed for a while now might be coming to an end too.
Sorry for the downer but I think it's true.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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Being in their 60's is not a market depressant, IMO. It's been my observation over the past 20 years that the newly retired are the strongest contributors to an organization, such as churches, Lions Clubs, etc. They are the demographic with the most time, discretionary income, and physical well being to support organizations. That support and involvement extends to riding motorcycles and side-by-sides.
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