Is The Opioid Crisis The Government's Responsibility?

[UtahPete]

When we stop praying, hoping, believing, and showing mercy for each other, we are nothing more than animals.

I think you just called us animals.

 

[Bob Denman]

I have devoted my life to God and theology, moral theology and apologetics specifically.

God is Truth, Truth is immutable. Simply apply that truth to anything, be it religion or what ever. If it contradicts Gods natural moral law, it is not True.

Good for you! :clap:
Now; would you please dial it back a little bit?
You WILL get this thread pulled! nojoke

 

[Schwingel9]

The concept of evil does not exist outside of religion. If you're going to argue a point of view based on religious beliefs rather than facts and reason what good does that do?

Evil does exist, this has been proven thousands of years ago. Yes, out side of religion, through reason. If you want, I can explain it and explain evil through religion also.

The evil conversation outside of religion revolves around moral relativism.

The evil conversation in the realm of religion revolves around the question is "why does God allow evil."

 

[UtahPete]

1.This post is about politics and morality though.
2. I agree, one should never put down another's relgion,
3. but to remove all thought of God when discussing these matters, because a person might say something offending seems a bit overbearing and keeps the discussion mundane and one-sided.

1. No, it's about discussing the various viewpoints held by members on the question of what role government should play in addressing the current opioid epidemic. That's not politics unless you make a statement based on political dogma rather than personal beliefs about the role of government.

2. I disagree. I'll put down your religion any time you try to try to inject it into the conversation.

3. We're not talking about removing thought of God; you want to do that go right ahead. We are talking about removing religious beliefs from a discussion that has nothing to do with religion. It doesn't offend me; it causes me to discount everything you say.

 

[Schwingel9]

Good for you! :clap:
Now; would you please dial it back a little bit?
You WILL get this thread pulled! nojoke

It will be fine. The moderator is a Christian. Civil conversation, out of love, for his God is what we are called to do, in any circle, at anytime. That is biblical.

 

[Schwingel9]

1. No, it's about discussing the various viewpoints held by members on the question of what role government should play in addressing the current opioid epidemic. That's not politics unless you make a statement based on political dogma rather than personal beliefs about the role of government.

2. I disagree. I'll put down your religion any time you try to try to inject it into the conversation.

3. We're not talking about removing thought of God; you want to do that go right ahead. We are talking about removing religious beliefs from a discussion that has nothing to do with religion. It doesn't offend me; it causes me to discount everything you say.

1. This has been discussed. Re-read the posts.

2. That's fine.

3. That's fine.

 

[UtahPete]

I agree we have freedom to choose or not to choose God, that is your God given right and civic right to choose or not to God.

How can you say you believe in (and presumably support) my freedom to choose whether to believe and then say that right is given to me by 'god'? Are you saying if I choose to believe there is no god, then I have lost my right to choose because that right came from 'god'?

Wow! What kind of convoluted nonsense is that?

 

[UtahPete]

By definition God is love, love that our finite minds can't fully understand, yet. So yes, God loves those that do work to love Him and others. But, He searches for His lost sheep more than we can comprehend.

Okay, I'm calling you out on this one. Where is it defined, except in religious texts, that god is love? You're using your own belief system to validate your own belief system. Try thinking for yourself instead of chasing your tail with beliefs piled on top of beliefs.

 

[Bob Denman]

:banghead: Both of you guys need a trip out behind the woodshed...
You're now down to arguing over stupid things like semantics.
Please put the keyboards away, and go take your dogs for a walk! nojoke

 

[Schwingel9]

How can you say you believe in (and presumably support) my freedom to choose whether to believe and then say that right is given to me by 'god'? Are you saying if I choose to believe there is no god, then I have lost my right to choose because that right came from 'god'?

Wow! What kind of convoluted nonsense is that?

Not exactly sure what you are asking, but let me be more specific. We all have free will, free will is a gift from God to us. Free will is a necessity in order to have a truly loving relationship. God does not want, nor did He create robots. He created rational beings that had and have the ability to choose Him or not to. Some humans do, some dont. Some angels did, some didn't.

Humans at anytime are free to turn to or turn away while here on earth. Because of their superior intelligence the angels made one selection.

 

[Schwingel9]

:banghead: Both of you guys need a trip out behind the woodshed...
You're now down to arguing over stupid things like semantics.
Please put the keyboards away, and go take your dogs for a walk! nojoke

It's fine. We are learning.

 

[UtahPete]

God's definition through His Divine Revalation.

Does the term 'religious fanaticism' mean anything to you?

 

[UtahPete]

Not exactly sure what you are asking, but let me be more specific. We all have free will, free will is a gift from God to us. Free will is a necessity in order to have a truly loving relationship. God does not want, nor did He create robots. He created rational beings that had and have the ability to choose Him or not to. Some humans do, some dont. Some angels did, some didn't.

Humans at anytime are free to turn to or turn away while here on earth. Because of their superior intelligence the angels made one selection.

Thanks, but I don't get my ideas about religious freedom from your religion. I am an atheist, so why would I? My freedom to choose what to believe or not believe comes from living in a society that happens to grant that right. Try exercising your 'god-given' religious rights in many other societies, including ours over 300 years ago and you'll quickly discover how meaningless your 'god-given' rights are.

 

[Schwingel9]

Okay, I'm calling you out on this one. Where is it defined, except in religious texts, that god is love? You're using your own belief system to validate your own belief system. Try thinking for yourself instead of chasing your tail with beliefs piled on top of beliefs.

Evil does it exist outside of religion?

First, what is evil, what is its definition? Evil by definition is the absence of the good. In order for evil to not exist, good would have to not exist. Have you ever sensed anything good? The more good there is the less evil there is, vise versa.

Evil is not the opposite of God, nor is Satan the opposite of God. That is why you don't need to believe in God to define exists.

Hope this helps.

 

[Schwingel9]

Does the term 'religious fanaticism' mean anything to you?

Yes.

 

[UtahPete]

Evil does it exist outside of religion? First, what is evil, what is its definition? Evil by definition is the absence of the good. In order for evil to not exist, good would have to not exist. Have you ever sensed anything good? The more good there is the less evil there is, vise versa. Evil is not the opposite of God, nor is Satan the opposite of God. That is why you don't need to believe in God to define exists. Hope this helps.

Evil and good are religious constructs, as are 'god' and 'satan'. They mean nothing to someone who does not believe as you do.

Intelligence and lack thereof, on the other hand, does not need religion to define it.

 

[Schwingel9]

Thanks, but I don't get my ideas about religious freedom your religion. I am an atheist, so why would I? My freedom to choose what to believe or not believe comes from living in a society that happens to grant that right. Try exercising your religious rights in many other societies, including ours over 300 years ago and you'll quickly discover how meaningless your 'god-given' rights are.

So you are using your God given free will, choosing not believe, now.

And using your civil right if freedom of religion, to not practice a religion you do not believe in.

You definitely are a free man. One good thing you got going for you is that your name derived from the 1st pope.

 

[loisk]

You're missing the point

Free will - you say is god given - a premise underlying your case

I do not agree with this premise - it is merely your belief system

Now either get back to the topic of government role in caring for the lost ones in a sick world, or just please (2nd request) stop with all the god stuff.

 

[Schwingel9]

Evil and good are religious constructs. They mean nothing to someone who does not believe as you do.

Intelligence and lack thereof, on the other hand, does not need religion to define it.

If you do not personally believe riding your spyder makes you feel good, why ride it ? If good means nothing to you because you are an atheist, why would you sacrifice your life for your loved one's? Why do you smile, laugh, and love? We have more in common than you thought, and I'm not an atheist.

 

[Schwingel9]

You're missing the point

Free will - you say is god given - a premise underlying your case

I do not agree with this premise - it is merely your belief system

Now either get back to the topic of government role in caring for the lost ones in a sick world, or just please (2nd request) stop with all the god stuff.

If the freewill to choose to believe in or not to believe in God did not come from God, who did it come from?