Is The Opioid Crisis The Government's Responsibility?

[loisk]

Just please stop with the god given law stuff ... She and her mates have better things to do..

 

[Rob Rodriguez]

Alexander Hamilton, Noah Webster, John Jay, William Findley, Rufus King, and James Wilson. All attested to the fact that "the laws of nature and of nature's God" refer to laws given by God Himself. John Quincy Adams stated that the phrase assumes the existence of a God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong.


It's like everything else. Its how its interpreted by the reader. That's why lawyers exist.

"God" is many different things to many different people.

 

[JerryB]

Hi Schwingel9,

Re: Judaeo-Christian values

My challenge stands: Show me where those words are used in Constitution

You cannot do it; and neither can Bob Denman.

Re: Actually . . . give conclusive proof that America is a Christian nation.

Horse puckey; only in your mind.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[Schwingel9]

Hi Schwingel9,

Re: Judaeo-Christian values

My challenge stands: Show me where those words are used in Constitution

You cannot do it; and neither can Bob Denman.

Re: Actually . . . give conclusive proof that America is a Christian nation.

Horse puckey; only in your mind.

Jerry Baumchen

I agree that exact phrase is not in there, but that exact phrase does not have to be in there to prove this is a Christian nation. In fact, even if it was in there, those words are merely words. Christianity is not a phrase or a religion, it is a way of life. It is THE WAY. The way in which one sacrifices not the enemies life for their own, but rather ones own life for their enemy's. A way that is self giving in every way, with every thing the person holds dear. Our nation was founded umder that WAY.From the beginning
And still to this day millions of brave men and women sacrifice everthing for their loved ones, people they have never met, and even people who don't like them. For people burning their flag and blaspheming their God, all in hope that their efforts will make this word a better and holy place. There are no atheists in fox holes, in churches, or in missionaries. There is only God and his children, giving proof, and living THE WAY.

 

[Bob Denman]

Jerry,
If you read the stories in the Bible: you'll actually find two lessons in most of them.
One is for believing, and the other is for living.
I don't care what you do about the believing part: that's completely your choice. nojoke
But the lessons for living involve telling folks how they should treat each other, and go about their daily lives.
In my very simple interpretation (I am certainly not a Scholar): I found that you will be following those lessons pretty well, if you treat people kindly, honestly, and fairly.
Do the same in your business dealings also.
That is what I take as Judaeo-Christian values.

It's not much of a stretch; to see a lot of that our Constitution, or Declaration of Independence. :thumbup:

But that's just me.

Now: let's get back to the dying druggies, and put the Bibles back in the Motel Room dresser!

 

[loisk]

Zoroastrian, Buddhist, etc etc

Good messages are everywhere - it does not have to be as narrowly defined to one brand, as you have done !!

over and out

 

[Schwingel9]

Zoroastrian, Buddhist, etc etc

Good messages are everywhere - it does not have to be as narrowly defined to one brand, as you have done !!

over and out

I agree, there are some Truths to all religions. Fullness of what God has chosen to reveal to us is found in one. Some choose to dive deeper, some choose not to, but grace is free for everyone.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

I agree, there are some Truths to all religions. Fullness of what God has chosen to reveal to us is found in one. Some choose to dive deeper, some choose not to, but grace is free for everyone.

truth from which god? aztec, greek, norse, cimmerian, vulcan, xandarian......
too many gods to choose from, personally i listen to Crom and the gods of Galador (bob do you remember who they are from?).

 

[Pirate looks at --]

:shocked: I'll need a drink, before I try to answer that question! :cheers: :roflblack:


JerryB,
We may not be a "Christian Nation"; but our origin is certainly based upon Judaeo-Christian values. :thumbup:

.....and the separation of Church and State:thumbup:

 

[Schwingel9]

truth from which god? aztec, greek, norse, cimmerian, vulcan, xandarian......
too many gods to choose from, personally i listen to Crom and the gods of Galador (bob do you remember who they are from?).

By definition there can be only one God.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

so let's just keep religion out of government, as the first amendment states!:bowdown:

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

so let's just keep religion out of government, as the first amendment states!:bowdown:

how about we keep religion out of this post and this forum as lamont states.

 

[Schwingel9]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

so let's just keep religion out of government, as the first amendment states!:bowdown:

When read in context, that does not mean religion is banned from government, it simply means the state will not recognize one religion as the states religion.

This might be a good thing, judging by history and how power corrupts men. Now, we can take all of our beliefs into acts of government policies. Will it work? We will find out.

 

[UtahPete]

By definition there can be only one God.

Which definition would that be?

 

[UtahPete]

I agree, there are some Truths to all religions. Fullness of what God has chosen to reveal to us is found in one. Some choose to dive deeper, some choose not to, but grace is free for everyone.

How would you know that? Unless you have devoted your life to studying every religion you cannot say that with certainty. Just as you cannot claim any of your beliefs as TRUTHS!

They are beliefs, not facts. So keep 'em to yourself before you really get me pissed off.

 

[Schwingel9]

Which definition would that be?

God's definition through His Divine Revalation.

 

[Bob Denman]

They are beliefs, not facts. So keep 'em to yourself before you really get me pissed off.

There's no need to get aggravated. Some folks just like to hit others over the head with Bibles: that's all.
They can't help it... :dontknow:

 

[Schwingel9]

How would you know that? Unless you have devoted your life to studying every religion you cannot say that with certainty. Just as you cannot claim any of your beliefs as TRUTHS!

They are beliefs, not facts. So keep 'em to yourself before you really get me pissed off.

I have devoted my life to God and theology, moral theology and apologetics specifically.

God is Truth, Truth is immutable. Simply apply that truth to anything, be it religion or what ever. If it contradicts Gods natural moral law, it is not True.

 

[UtahPete]

"I do think it's time the USA bring all this "stuff" out of the closet so to speak. Drugs, sex, etc...when it's perceived as bad and made illegal its driven underground where it does (or can) become a bad or worse thing than if it were just out in the open."

When used in the correct context of what it is designed for, these things are not intrinsically evil. Sex for instance, was designed by God for husband and wife for procreation. When used out of context or in immoral ways, then evil is abound, abortion, stds, divorce due to infidelity and so on. Sex has a purpose and is sacred and holy in the bond of matrimony. Sex is not a recreational sport. The same with drugs, they are not designed for recreational purposes, they are for aiding in healing and promoting health. Getting stoned is not healthy for the body or good for society. Making everything legal so we can tax it and make money on it, or doing what ever feels good, is not an answer to any problems.

The concept of evil does not exist outside of religion. If you're going to argue a point of view based on religious beliefs rather than facts and reason what good does that do?

 

[Schwingel9]

There's no need to get aggravated. Some folks just like to hit others over the head with Bibles: that's all.
They can't help it... :dontknow:

I agree, especially hard cover Catholic one's. Protestant bibles hurt less, under no authority they removed 7 books.