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Interesting history of the NRA

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Hi Saluda, Re: Will the future generation be more anti gun ? They already are. A person in school today has lived in the shadow of Columbine their entire life.

The 2nd amendment is not cut in stone. Jerry Baumchen

The point is that the NRA's position on the 2nd amendment is not cut in stone. The pendulum will swing again and when it does a lot of people are going to have to rethink their 'rights'.
 
The NRA's defense of the Second Amendment is unwavering, and will continue to be so... :thumbup:
You mean their defense of the current interpretation of the second amendment, as affirmed by the Supreme Court. That too is subject to change. My argument is that the current interpretation, as well as the language of the 2nd Amendment, WILL change someday, just not in our lifetimes. If the NRA wants to ensure that guns remain part and parcel of American life for the next 242 years they need to acknowledge that reality and begin to move toward the inevitable limitation on possessing and carrying weapons, otherwise eventually there will no private ownership of guns. If they continue to focus on hanging onto the whole loaf, and forever refuse any sort of accommodation with the anti-gun crowd, they stand to lose the entire loaf. A half loaf is a lot more than no loaf.

But I'm sure none of us here today will live long enough to see it happen.
 
You mean their defense of the current interpretation of the second amendment, as affirmed by the Supreme Court. That too is subject to change. My argument is that the current interpretation, as well as the language of the 2nd Amendment, WILL change someday, just not in our lifetimes. If the NRA wants to ensure that guns remain part and parcel of American life for the next 242 years they need to acknowledge that reality and begin to move toward the inevitable limitation on possessing and carrying weapons, otherwise eventually there will no private ownership of guns. If they continue to focus on hanging onto the whole loaf, and forever refuse any sort of accommodation with the anti-gun crowd, they stand to lose the entire loaf. A half loaf is a lot more than no loaf. But I'm sure none of us here today will live long enough to see it happen.
I'm still hopeful.
 
You mean like not allowing criminals to possess firearms?
Or the folks who are mentally unfit?

How's that working out for you?

The Justice system needs to do it's job: the laws are already on the books. nojoke

It seems that the localities with the most stringent gun laws: have the highest crime rates.
Don't you find that odd? :dontknow:
 
Hi Idaho,

Re: just not in our lifetimes.

In the summer of '63, I spent a few days in Berlin. I have a photo of me standing next to Checkpoint Charlie. I knew that someday the wall would come down. I just did not think it would in my lifetime.

Voila. 1989 and she is gone.

IMO what your post is about will happen much sooner than any of us know.

Jerry Baumchen
 
Hi Idaho,

Re: just not in our lifetimes.

In the summer of '63, I spent a few days in Berlin. I have a photo of me standing next to Checkpoint Charlie. I knew that someday the wall would come down. I just did not think it would in my lifetime.

Voila. 1989 and she is gone.

IMO what your post is about will happen much sooner than any of us know.

Jerry Baumchen
Keep in mind, the remaining lifetime for most of us on this board is only about 10 to 30 years! :yikes:
 
It seems to me that rational debate about control of some types of guns and of some limits on who can own them is difficult to achieve as long as the debate becomes mired in absolutist views and name-calling.

Gun control does not mean 'no guns' - it does not mean 'no second amendment rights'.

Gun control is about all society - not just one party or another.

Yes, the world is watching, this is what we see...



What America decides to do is an American issue, but the "thinking" behind the type of debate you have is a global issue. After all, you are Leader of the Free World, so your actions as a nation go much further than your borders. Some respect in the debate would be nice, along with some logic and some listening to other views to find the most balanced solution for a pluralist society. What the article on nra history might have done is create some awareness amongst its members that their organisation's stance has changed over time - and that perhaps it is time for another change. It could still happen...
 

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It seems to me that rational debate about control of some types of guns and of some limits on who can own them is difficult to achieve as long as the debate becomes mired in absolutist views and name-calling. Gun control does not mean 'no guns' - it does not mean 'no second amendment rights'. Gun control is about all society - not just one party or another. Yes, the world is watching, this is what we see...

What America decides to do is an American issue, but the "thinking" behind the type of debate you have is a global issue. After all, you are Leader of the Free World, so your actions as a nation go much further than your borders. Some respect in the debate would be nice, along with some logic and some listening to other views to find the most balanced solution for a pluralist society. What the article on nra history might have done is create some awareness amongst its members that their organisation's stance has changed over time - and that perhaps it is time for another change. It could still happen...
Thanks Lois. I think for objective, rational thought on the topic, we're going to have to turn to foreign pundits and maybe recent immigrants!
 
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