Interesting history of the NRA

[johnsimion]

Soo what do you do?
Do you throw in the towel; whenever you figure that you can't win?
:shocked: That's worse than sad: it's sad AND it's pitiful! nojoke

Without getting into a discussion of tactics: Do you honestly think that every Officer is going to obey an order that has them firing upon American Citizens?
What about the forward troops? :dontknow:

Personally I think you are right about officers (soldiers in general) not firing upon American citizens, but that fact also kind of undermines the idea of arming the populace to prevent a military coup (IMO the best defense against a military takeover would be staffing the military through a draft rather than as an all-volunteer army). However, I think the whole argument for gun control is moot; there are so many guns in circulation right now that gun control now would be like closing the barn door after the horse ran out. I'd rather see more police, judges and prisons than more gun laws that would inevitably be evaded. And it only takes one person to evade a gun law to wreak all kinds of havoc.

 

[UtahPete]

From that same source: "Formerly 'British subject' was used to denote de facto citizenship of the United Kingdom and the British Empire, and until 1949 was used to refer generally to any person born or naturalised in the United Kingdom or the British Empire. The term 'subject' is used rather than 'citizen' because in a monarchy the monarch is the source of authority in whose name all legal power in civil and military law is exercised. The people of a monarchy in former times were regarded as the monarch's subjects who were under certain obligations such as owing allegiance to, and thereby entitled to the protection of, the Crown."

When you try to judge our American Society by your British standards, and impose them upon us: it smells like a very dismissive attitude concerning our values...
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Okay, thanks for that.

What is it that I say which leads you to believe I am judging your American Society by my British standards and seek to impose British standards (whatever they are) on you?

By the way, I'm using your words here re: you and us. I am every bit American as you are Bob. Maybe even more than you are since I chose to become American rather than just being born into it :joke: and chose to serve MY country (America) for 10 years in the military (American). Moreover, I came to America as a 12-year-old and have never been back to England, so I wouldn't any more speak for 'British' standards as I would 'American' standards, whatever they are.

 

[Bob Denman]

Another "Dreamer"... :banghead:
My family came here in 1795... we're dug in deeper "than a Texas Chigger"!
But you clearly haven't assimilated.
You might have taken an oath; you might even have put on the uniform...

...But don't try to sell yourself as "more American": your heart is still in England. nojoke

 

[UtahPete]

Another "Dreamer"... :banghead: My family came here in 1795... we're dug in deeper "than a Texas Chigger"!
But you clearly haven't assimilated. You might have taken an oath; you might even have put on the uniform......But don't try to sell yourself as "more American": your heart is still in England. nojoke

Bob, I would like you to explain why you think that way about me. What have I said to give you that idea?

What does it mean, in your mind, to be assimilated into American society and where, in your mind, have I fallen short of that ideal?

I'm beginning to get the idea that you believe you have more of a claim to define Americanism than I do because I wasn't born here. Is that right?

 

[johnsimion]

Another "Dreamer"... :banghead:
My family came here in 1795... we're dug in deeper "than a Texas Chigger"!
But you clearly haven't assimilated.
You might have taken an oath; you might even have put on the uniform...

...But don't try to sell yourself as "more American": your heart is still in England. nojoke

I was born here and served 23 years in the military and I'm retired from it. I share most of Pete's political views. I get the feeling I'd have to join the Republican Party, vote for Trump and have a pickup truck full of guns to be fully assimilated under your definition, but that's not the America that I defended throughout my career. Rethink your comment, Bob. Anyone who has served in America's military and taken the oath is a fully assimilated American. To say otherwise is really, really offensive.

 

[newbert]

Another "Dreamer"... :banghead:
My family came here in 1795... we're dug in deeper "than a Texas Chigger"!
But you clearly haven't assimilated.
You might have taken an oath; you might even have put on the uniform...

...But don't try to sell yourself as "more American": your heart is still in England. nojoke

Wow! Just when I thought that you couldn't go any lower...

1. Exactly when did UtahPete say that he was "more American" than you?

2. "My family came here in 1795" - SO WHAT??? - That STILL makes you a son/grandson/great-grandson of IMMIGRANTS - just like the rest of us (except if you're Native American?). I'd say that his taking an oath and putting on the uniform means a h_ll of a lot more than family lineage (which neither of you, or any of us, have any control over).

3. And what's this about "assimilating". Haven't you ever heard of the term "Melting Pot"?

Sheesh!

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Personally I think you are right about officers (soldiers in general) not firing upon American citizens, but that fact also kind of undermines the idea of arming the populace to prevent a military coup (IMO the best defense against a military takeover would be staffing the military through a draft rather than as an all-volunteer army). However, I think the whole argument for gun control is moot; there are so many guns in circulation right now that gun control now would be like closing the barn door after the horse ran out. I'd rather see more police, judges and prisons than more gun laws that would inevitably be evaded. And it only takes one person to evade a gun law to wreak all kinds of havoc.

i would like to see more hookers & strippers then guns or police.

 

[UtahPete]

i would like to see more hookers & strippers then guns or police.

Nice try at redirection, Spiderman, but I think Bob is going to have this thread pulled anyway.nojoke

 

[MR. H1956]

i would like to see more hookers & strippers then guns or police.

Not much on the hookers and strippers. But how about some more spyder rallys so we can hang out and and act like a family. Maybe a nice cookout would help. I always like a good burger and hot dog with some baked beans. Thats probably just wishful thinking.

 

[Netminder]

Tick Tock! Very surprised this thread has gone on this long!nojoke

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Nice try at redirection, Spiderman, but I think Bob is going to have this thread pulled anyway.nojoke

NO, just saying. hey what can i tell you, i like thailand.

 

[kep-up]

No Bob, I was and still am a British citizen.

If you still are a British citizen, then why the hell are you opining about our constitution and laws? Even though you may have served in our military, and thank you for your service, by the way, as a British citizen you have no say in the matter. So leave it alone.

 

[loisk]

So, guns are needed to defend against your own tyrannical government.
Seems you're very fearful, and don't trust your democracy...

For a tyrannical govt, you need a dictatorship... or a failed democracy, take your pick.
The example of millions killed by "benevolent governments" overlooks the fact that only one even pretended to be a democracy.

Do you think your populace will shoot your soldiers, if push comes to shove? You will really shoot your heroes?

Lets face it, the whole scenario is so last century.
A govt does not need guns to control (dictate) it's people - it just needs to control all debate and decisions thru brainwashing, media control, distractions, scapegoating and divisiveness on many levels ... Oh wait ... Oops

 

[Holly]

So, guns are needed to defend against your own tyrannical government.
Seems you're very fearful, and don't trust your democracy...

For a tyrannical govt, you need a dictatorship... or a failed democracy, take your pick.
The example of millions killed by "benevolent governments" overlooks the fact that only one even pretended to be a democracy.

Do you think your populace will shoot your soldiers, if push comes to shove? You will really shoot your heroes?

Lets face it, the whole scenario is so last century.
A govt does not need guns to control (dictate) it's people - it just needs to control all debate and decisions thru brainwashing, media control, distractions, scapegoating and divisiveness on many levels ... Oh wait ... Oops

:agree:

So what your saying is, the government only needs people to watch CNN...... :roflblack::roflblack:

 

[UtahPete]

If you still are a British citizen, then why the hell are you opining about our constitution and laws? Even though you may have served in our military, and thank you for your service, by the way, as a British citizen you have no say in the matter. So leave it alone.

Kep-up, you need to keep up. I'm an American citizen. I vote. I am authorized to hold any office in the land except POTUS.

 

[UtahPete]

:agree: So what your saying is, the government only needs people to watch CNN...... :roflblack::roflblack:

Oh, Holly. Just when you were doing so well...

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

cats & dogs, cats & dogs.

 

[Bob Denman]

So, guns are needed to defend against your own tyrannical government.
Seems you're very fearful, and don't trust your democracy...
For a tyrannical govt, you need a dictatorship... or a failed democracy, take your pick.
The example of millions killed by "benevolent governments" overlooks the fact that only one even pretended to be a democracy.
Do you think your populace will shoot your soldiers, if push comes to shove? You will really shoot your heroes?
Lets face it, the whole scenario is so last century.
A govt does not need guns to control (dictate) it's people - it just needs to control all debate and decisions thru brainwashing, media control, distractions, scapegoating and divisiveness on many levels ... Oh wait ... Oops

We trust our Democracy as it was designed by our Founding Fathers...
With an armed citizenry as the final arbiter; in a series of checks and balances. nojoke

 

[UtahPete]

We trust our Democracy as it was designed by our Founding Fathers...With an armed citizenry as the final arbiter; in a series of checks and balances. nojoke

Bob, please answer the question; why do you think that I am not assimilated and my allegiance is to Britain?

 

[MR. H1956]

:agree:

So what your saying is, the government only needs people to watch CNN...... :roflblack::roflblack:

Either cnn or msnbc or the other uncouth talk shows that spit out their hate every time they open their mouths. And Thats all I have to say on this subject. I really need to go back to life. And get healed up from A collapsed lung and 2 lung surgery in 3 days. May God help us all.