In Anticipation...

[wyliec]

:congrats: on the new phone. I have yet to buy a "smart" phone. I use a cheapo burner phone for mobile these days. Enjoy, and don't get to frustrated. Lots of help on SL though. :yes:

I was right along with you with my flip phone from 4 years ago. Yesterday, we picked up two iPhone 8+'s, and two Samsung 8+'s, and now I have to spend my days being Smart.:gaah:

 

[UtahPete]

I hope those prices are yearly, and not monthly.

From their website;

7 Day Free Trial[FONT=Conv_HelveticaNeue-Roman]Genius Maps offers a free 7 day trial with fully-functional Pro Guidance and Live Traffic and can be activated at any time. Choose to upgrade to Pro Guidance and Live Traffic at any time during or after the trial or simply continue using the free professional-grade maps for planning routes and exploring with the pedestrian navigation at no cost.[/FONT]

 

[Bob Denman]

I saw that also... and I downloaded the maps for the Continental U.S. and Canada. :thumbup:
Oh! I also downloaded a flashlight app... :roflblack:

 

[Docster]

​I would suggest Google Maps for your navigation app. It is free and very accurate.

And/or Navmii which doesn't require an internet connection. Maps are downloaded, the program runs offline with phones GPS. Worldwide MAPS available. I have used Navmii while in Europe without a hitch.

Always have a backup.

 

[jaherbst]

Even though folks from urban areas don't think about cell service not being everywhere, it isn't. You get out into the west and there are many many dead zones once you're off the Interstates. And a lot of times what ain't dead is covered by a cell company you don't happen to have!

And then there are guys like me who buy low volume prepaid service who would burn up their data allotment in two days on the road! A GPS that relies entirely on downloaded maps is the only way I'll probably ever go.

He is correct here folks. Cell towers is what he is talking about. No cell tower nearby, no service. That is why most of us "in the old West" use GPS for Nav.

It operates off of Satellite which is always there regardless of position on the Planet, day or night, rain or snow. Your choice really depends on where you

live and where you want to ride.

​I-Mac Jack

 

[jaherbst]

... Of the arrival of our 2018 RT-L 10th Anniversary model: I went out and got a Smart-Phone. :yikes:

But the damn thing is WAYYYYyyyyy.... smarter than I'll ever be! :shocked:

It's an LG G5 (Android based...)

Question: Can anyone advise me on how to install a Navigation App on this thing?
(And which Nav App I should use?)

Okay: TWO questions!

I'm still figgerin'-out the whole picture thing... :banghead:
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Welcome to the 21'st Century Bob!

​Jack

 

[billybovine]

He is correct here folks. Cell towers is what he is talking about. No cell tower nearby, no service. That is why most of us "in the old West" use GPS for Nav.

It operates off of Satellite which is always there regardless of position on the Planet, day or night, rain or snow. Your choice really depends on where you

live and where you want to ride.

​I-Mac Jack

A smart phone uses gps satallites for navigation not cell towers. You may not be able to make a phone call because of no cell service, but the gps function will still work.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Google maps, Genius maps and I am not sure about Wase. Will work just fine without cell service. Maps can be pre downloaded. Since Genius Maps is the only gps map app compatible with the display so far. For it the maps for all of North America can be stored on your phone at once. Just the up to date traffic functions won't work. But when you are out in the sticks. You are are not really concerned about a traffic jam.

Seems to me like I read that Google Maps will download a map, but the extent and size is limited so you have to have periodic cell reception to continue downloading the next segment. But I suppose I could be wrong. I haven't looked at Waze, really, but it's my understanding it's mostly aimed at real time traffic updates which requires full time cell connection. Many, if not most, other nav programs have options for real time updates for traffic conditions which require cell connection, but the core of the program operates offline. That's the case with Sygic which I use.

 

[billybovine]

Seems to me like I read that Google Maps will download a map, but the extent and size is limited so you have to have periodic cell reception to continue downloading the next segment. But I suppose I could be wrong. I haven't looked at Waze, really, but it's my understanding it's mostly aimed at real time traffic updates which requires full time cell connection. Many, if not most, other nav programs have options for real time updates for traffic conditions which require cell connection, but the core of the program operates offline. That's the case with Sygic which I use.

https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?co=GENIE.Platform=Android&hl=en

 

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: I've got a 200 GB micro-SD card coming... :thumbup:

 

[billybovine]

I hope those prices are yearly, and not monthly.

One time lifetime fee. I believe lifetime is device based.

 

[billybovine]

:shocked: I've got a 200 GB micro-SD card coming... :thumbup:

I have a 64 and it is not close to being full. But you can never have too much storage space. Buy as big as your wallet will allow.

 

[wyliec]

billybovine, question (cell phone) gps and data usage...

Like you mentioned in a previous post, the gps works off of satellites, and not cell towers. Now that I have a smart phone, how does data usage play into when using your cell phone as a gps? We have 5 phones on a contract with, I think, 6GB's total/month. I know the answer is probably simple; I'm just not seeing it. Thanks

Maybe I found the answer in an article I found. Is it because the phone is updating your position on whatever map/app you have?

 

[billybovine]

Like you mentioned in a previous post, the gps works off of satellites, and not cell towers. Now that I have a smart phone, how does data usage play into when using your cell phone as a gps? We have 5 phones on a contract with, I think, 6GB's total/month. I know the answer is probably simple; I'm just not seeing it. Thanks

Maybe I found the answer in an article I found. Is it because the phone is updating your position on whatever map/app you have?

The gps signal from the satelites is one way only. The gps reciever chip in your device only recieves. The data it recieves is a free service provided by the US and other goverments around the world.

The data transfered between your phone and the cell tower is paid for through your plan with your provider.

 

[UtahPete]

The gps signal from the satellites is one way only. The gps receiver chip in your device only receives. The data it receives is a free service provided by the US and other governments around the world. The data transferred between your phone and the cell tower is paid for through your plan with your provider.

I think he was asking what data would be used in this operation that he would be charged for on his cell phone plan. I'm wondering the same thing.

 

[wyliec]

I think he was asking what data would be used in this operation that he would be charged for on his cell phone plan. I'm wondering the same thing.

Yes, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

This article isn't clear regarding data usage, and the gps function.
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/gps-cost-money-android-65429.html

UP,

Here's a better article that explains the data usage charge for using the gps.

https://itstillworks.com/iphones-gps-use-up-data-18643.html

 

[meerkat]

Anticipation

Bob , I rely on my service supplier a lot , mine happens to be Verizon and when I have a problem , I go to their out let store . They have been very helpful and answer a lot of my questions . meerkat :yes::yes:

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Like you mentioned in a previous post, the gps works off of satellites, and not cell towers. Now that I have a smart phone, how does data usage play into when using your cell phone as a gps? We have 5 phones on a contract with, I think, 6GB's total/month. I know the answer is probably simple; I'm just not seeing it. Thanks

Maybe I found the answer in an article I found. Is it because the phone is updating your position on whatever map/app you have?

Any app, or option in an app, that says 'real time' will use your cellular data connection for the real time updates for anything not based on satellite data. All static information like maps (including gas station locations, parking locations, speed camera locations, etc.) and such that need to be downloaded can be by wifi or cellular data and then are retrieved as needed from the data stored on your phone. Constant wifi access is not possible while you're traveling.

My Sygic navigation app operates offline and updates my position constantly from satellite data and shows it on the stored map. Sygic has these options available, Real Time Traffic, real-time information about gas prices, and Find parking with live info about 40 million parking spot prices and vacancies. These all require an active data connection since they are regularly updated and are not static.

This help?

 

[jaherbst]

Seems to me like I read that Google Maps will download a map, but the extent and size is limited so you have to have periodic cell reception to continue downloading the next segment. But I suppose I could be wrong. I haven't looked at Waze, really, but it's my understanding it's mostly aimed at real time traffic updates which requires full time cell connection. Many, if not most, other nav programs have options for real time updates for traffic conditions which require cell connection, but the core of the program operates offline. That's the case with Sygic which I use.

​All I know is when no cell tower reception "for a given" time the Nav function on my Apple 6+ quits and my GPS never quits. I have AT&T for our provider.

I navigated all over the world with no cell towers and no GPS with INS. Inertial Navigation System. This is a system that starts at any known

Latitude/Longitude on the planet and uses this position to navigate to another position on the planet. Litton built them. Prior to that we used the Doppler

system. It was not as accurate. Both these systems became obsolete once satellites were positioned to enable navigation world wide. Perhaps one day all

our phones will be able to navigate directly from GPS. Global Positioning System. This will happen when the next generation of navigation comes along and

the military no longer controls the satellites.

The good thing here is, I haven't gotten lost yet and if I had I would never admit it!

​Jack

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

​All I know is when no cell tower reception "for a given" time the Nav function on my Apple 6+ quits and my GPS never quits.

Does the Nav function on your iPhone use downloaded maps? If not then that's why it quits. Your GPS unit, and most, if not all, GPS apps other than Apple Nav and Google Street View depend on downloaded and stored maps. SV has the option to download and store maps for those times you're out of cell service. Either your iPhone Nav doesn't have that option, or you've never turned it on.

My Sygic GPS app uses downloaded and stored maps. If I haven't downloaded one for a particular state, and cross the state line into it, I see nothing for that state! I run Sygic on my Samsung 8" tablet. Nice big screen! When we were coming home from Illinois last spring I turned on Sygic while in the plane. It went bonkers when it couldn't find the road we supposedly were on!