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ILLINOIS HAS A PROBLEM WITH SYPDER
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The_Spyderwoman
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I was the first in IL to license a spyder(according to my DMV). The DOT people from Springfield had to visit the dealership to check it out. I had no problem licensing it. I have never had a motorcycle and I got a motorcycle designation on my license. I was told that the rear wheel drive was the determinant for the designation. One rear wheel drive was a motorcycle and two rear wheel drive was a trike designation.:dontknow:
Same Problem in NC
I am stationed in NC. I had the same problems. Could not take the road test, could not do the MSF course, and could not drive on base until I had the MSF course. Had to take the MSF course on a 2-wheel piece of s*** at the local college just to get my motorcycle license and drive on base. NC has no 3-wheel restriction, so that didn't help my case at all either.
I am stationed in NC. I had the same problems. Could not take the road test, could not do the MSF course, and could not drive on base until I had the MSF course. Had to take the MSF course on a 2-wheel piece of s*** at the local college just to get my motorcycle license and drive on base. NC has no 3-wheel restriction, so that didn't help my case at all either.
Spyderman62
New member
That is all fine and good, but correct me if i am wrong, but I thought the Spyder was titled as a CAR not a bike and in fact, that is the ONLY state that looks at the Spyder as a car -
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Michigan designates by wheels. Anything less than four is considered a motorcycle for title purposes and driver's licensing. If you test on three, the restriction for your endorsement is "three wheels", and includes trikes, reverse trikes, and sidecars.
-Scotty
I don't know what is hers condition, but if she does do the test with ten minutes and hurt herself. I think this is the reason for not risking to ride on the Two wheels. But again if she ride the two wheels, hurt herself I see a MAJOR LAWSUIT for the taxpayer in the state of IL?
It is a good letter, and even better if BRP respond to it as well. Keep everyone posted. THE ADA Does protect those who have to face challeges. GOOD LUCK. :spyder:
Larry
Lamonster
SpyderLovers Founder
:agree::2thumbs::doorag:
Illinois License Problem
Does anyone know if this issue has been resolved? I just spent 3 hours at the Belleville, IL DMV to finally be told they don't have a test for the Spyder.:banghead: Motorcycle safety courses in the local area are booked till June. I think I'll have to be a scoff-law for a while longer.
Does anyone know if this issue has been resolved? I just spent 3 hours at the Belleville, IL DMV to finally be told they don't have a test for the Spyder.:banghead: Motorcycle safety courses in the local area are booked till June. I think I'll have to be a scoff-law for a while longer.
5 points off for turning too tight? Wonder what would happen if you did a j-turn with a burnout??? Those people are a bunch of power hungry mofos.
aubierules
New member
if she is disabled like myself, she may not be able to ride the 2 wheeler..
I spoke with the IL DMV...
I talked to the drivers test people at the SOS office in Joliet. They stated that as long as you do well on the written test ,Spyder riders will end up missing points on certain areas of the driving test but not enough to fail the complete assessment. Plus you shouldn't get any points deducted for putting your feet down
:yes:
I talked to the drivers test people at the SOS office in Joliet. They stated that as long as you do well on the written test ,Spyder riders will end up missing points on certain areas of the driving test but not enough to fail the complete assessment. Plus you shouldn't get any points deducted for putting your feet down
:yes:
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
In MD we have a motorcycle license with a 'J' restriction...meaning, 3 wheels only...
The test is only for trikes, Spyders, and motorcycles with sidecars...
Tell Illinois to contact MD DMV and see how they do it.
I was the first to take the test here in MD and it's a good test...
The test is only for trikes, Spyders, and motorcycles with sidecars...
Tell Illinois to contact MD DMV and see how they do it.
I was the first to take the test here in MD and it's a good test...
Peoriafirefighter
New member
Jesse White, Secretary of State
213 State Capital
Springfield, IL 62756
September 4, 2008
Dear Secretary White,
As an Illinois taxpayer, licensed driver, registered voter (yes, I voted for you) and avid motorcyclist for 40 years, I want to bring to your attention an issue that has arisen regarding the state’s testing procedures for motorcycles.
As you’re aware, there is a huge resurgence in ridership of motorcycles and "motor-driven cycles" due in large part to economics. This is exposing people of all shapes, sizes, sexes and capabilities to the experience of open-air transportation. It has also stemmed new designs in equipment to better accommodate this broad demography.
Please allow me to address an issue that is specific to my family. My wife and I purchased a 2008 Can-Am Spyder two months ago. The Spyder is a 3-wheeled motorcycle with the dual wheels in the front, as opposed to conventional “trike”-type machines based on existing models (Honda Goldwing, etc). You can see and “experience” the Spyder at the following URL http://spyder.brp.com/en-US/. Our Spyder is registered and licensed as a motorcycle in Illinois. As an experienced rider, I took the Spyder to a local DMV course and realized that the turning radius of the bike would not allow a U-turn within the assigned boundaries. I spoke to DMV representatives who told me there would be no accommodations for equipment. I explained that my wife has a lower back issue that makes the Spyder’s 3-wheel array a safer choice and that she might re-injure herself with the riding dynamics of a conventional 2-wheeled motorcycle. The rep said that my wife had no choice and that there were no accommodations, even for a physical challenge. Obviously that was clearly a poor answer that creates exposure for the State, so I called Springfield and spoke to the gentleman in charge of these matters. He said that he was aware of the bike, in fact had ridden one, and realized that it would not make the U-turn within the current standards. He suggested my wife could obtain a learner’s permit and be allowed to ride in my presence while he tried to figure something out regarding this matter. She did so, and is more than prepared to take the exam.
Thirty days have passed (as well a large chunk of the riding season) so I called him again yesterday for an update. He stated that he’d sent out inquiries to see what other states were doing about this and had only received about a dozen responses. That’s not surprising because the Can-Am Spyder was just recently made widely available….plus, it’s expensive at nearly $16,000 MSRP! He said that the state is not prepared to change its standards and that this would likely require legislation, if it was changed at all! The state had NO qualms about taking our money for registration and taxes, but they’ve rendered this machine useless to my wife as she is not allowed to ride it without supervision.
If a machine can be licensed in Illinois and ridden in Illinois, it should certainly be allowed to be used for the driving test. As it is, she cannot use it to conserve precious energy, to save our family’s resources and simply enjoy it. It is nothing more than a $16,000 training aid.
This situation is unacceptable, as is the idea that it would require legislation to amend the current guidelines. The last thing we need is to spend more taxpayer dollars investigating matters such as this, much less the time it takes to carry such a measure through the process.
Rather than activating resources such as the American Motorcyclist Association, AARP (I’m over 50 and wouldn’t be able to take MY test on this either!) and bringing the Americans with Disabilities Act into play, would it not be much simpler and cost effective to allow examiners the ability to use their judgment in these matters? If the machine is fully turned to the frame stops, it will not turn any tighter.
Again, if it’s allowed to be licensed to be ridden on streets and highways in the state of Illinois, it must be allowed to be used for the exam.
I am asking for an immediate accommodation for my wife in this matter. Otherwise, our next discussion needs to be in what way the state will refund my registration fees and taxes that were paid in the purchase of the bike. I will have no choice but to sell the machine due to the state’s refusal to accommodate our needs for both physical and mechanical challenges.
I am forwarding a copy of this letter to BRP, the manufacturer of the Can-Am, so they are aware of the challenges they face in Illinois. By the way, they have chosen Benton, Illinois for one of their USA offices and distribution centers. I’m sure they’ll share my disappointment with the current position of the state.
I look forward to your positive response.
Respectfully,
BJ XXXXXXXX
XXXX LXXX Street XXX
Oak Park, IL XXXX[/quote]
I am in complete support as my wife is experiencing the same thing in Peoria,Il. Maybe we should contact our local State Reps for support.:cus:
213 State Capital
Springfield, IL 62756
September 4, 2008
Dear Secretary White,
As an Illinois taxpayer, licensed driver, registered voter (yes, I voted for you) and avid motorcyclist for 40 years, I want to bring to your attention an issue that has arisen regarding the state’s testing procedures for motorcycles.
As you’re aware, there is a huge resurgence in ridership of motorcycles and "motor-driven cycles" due in large part to economics. This is exposing people of all shapes, sizes, sexes and capabilities to the experience of open-air transportation. It has also stemmed new designs in equipment to better accommodate this broad demography.
Please allow me to address an issue that is specific to my family. My wife and I purchased a 2008 Can-Am Spyder two months ago. The Spyder is a 3-wheeled motorcycle with the dual wheels in the front, as opposed to conventional “trike”-type machines based on existing models (Honda Goldwing, etc). You can see and “experience” the Spyder at the following URL http://spyder.brp.com/en-US/. Our Spyder is registered and licensed as a motorcycle in Illinois. As an experienced rider, I took the Spyder to a local DMV course and realized that the turning radius of the bike would not allow a U-turn within the assigned boundaries. I spoke to DMV representatives who told me there would be no accommodations for equipment. I explained that my wife has a lower back issue that makes the Spyder’s 3-wheel array a safer choice and that she might re-injure herself with the riding dynamics of a conventional 2-wheeled motorcycle. The rep said that my wife had no choice and that there were no accommodations, even for a physical challenge. Obviously that was clearly a poor answer that creates exposure for the State, so I called Springfield and spoke to the gentleman in charge of these matters. He said that he was aware of the bike, in fact had ridden one, and realized that it would not make the U-turn within the current standards. He suggested my wife could obtain a learner’s permit and be allowed to ride in my presence while he tried to figure something out regarding this matter. She did so, and is more than prepared to take the exam.
Thirty days have passed (as well a large chunk of the riding season) so I called him again yesterday for an update. He stated that he’d sent out inquiries to see what other states were doing about this and had only received about a dozen responses. That’s not surprising because the Can-Am Spyder was just recently made widely available….plus, it’s expensive at nearly $16,000 MSRP! He said that the state is not prepared to change its standards and that this would likely require legislation, if it was changed at all! The state had NO qualms about taking our money for registration and taxes, but they’ve rendered this machine useless to my wife as she is not allowed to ride it without supervision.
If a machine can be licensed in Illinois and ridden in Illinois, it should certainly be allowed to be used for the driving test. As it is, she cannot use it to conserve precious energy, to save our family’s resources and simply enjoy it. It is nothing more than a $16,000 training aid.
This situation is unacceptable, as is the idea that it would require legislation to amend the current guidelines. The last thing we need is to spend more taxpayer dollars investigating matters such as this, much less the time it takes to carry such a measure through the process.
Rather than activating resources such as the American Motorcyclist Association, AARP (I’m over 50 and wouldn’t be able to take MY test on this either!) and bringing the Americans with Disabilities Act into play, would it not be much simpler and cost effective to allow examiners the ability to use their judgment in these matters? If the machine is fully turned to the frame stops, it will not turn any tighter.
Again, if it’s allowed to be licensed to be ridden on streets and highways in the state of Illinois, it must be allowed to be used for the exam.
I am asking for an immediate accommodation for my wife in this matter. Otherwise, our next discussion needs to be in what way the state will refund my registration fees and taxes that were paid in the purchase of the bike. I will have no choice but to sell the machine due to the state’s refusal to accommodate our needs for both physical and mechanical challenges.
I am forwarding a copy of this letter to BRP, the manufacturer of the Can-Am, so they are aware of the challenges they face in Illinois. By the way, they have chosen Benton, Illinois for one of their USA offices and distribution centers. I’m sure they’ll share my disappointment with the current position of the state.
I look forward to your positive response.
Respectfully,
BJ XXXXXXXX
XXXX LXXX Street XXX
Oak Park, IL XXXX[/quote]
I am in complete support as my wife is experiencing the same thing in Peoria,Il. Maybe we should contact our local State Reps for support.:cus:
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
We have some troubles in Michigan, too. Michigan law does allow three-wheeled motorcycles and sidecars to test on those vehicles, and receive a restricted endorsement. Michigan law also requires the State to devise a test specifically for those vehicles. Unfortunately, they have never done so. The situation is further complicated by the fact that the State does not do the testing. A rider must find an independent examiner, and pay to take the test. When my wife purchased her Spyder, we were unable to find a local examiner who would administer a three-wheel test. I understand some examiners will let riders take as much of the standard test as is practical, and provide a passing grade (at their own risk). We couldn't find one. In the end, my wife took an MSF course on two wheels, and presented her certificate, in lieu of testing. I don't know what we would have done if she had not decided on that route.
-Scotty
-Scotty
GeminiJane
New member
I know this isn't the ideal answer - but might be fastest/easiest since it's only an hour away from you. I take the MSF Experienced Rider Course twice a year on one of my two wheelers... that's all it's offered in my area. BUT this year they are offering the new Intermediate Course. They just posted the new schedule for SIU-Carbondale and there are maybe 10 or more courses open starting in April. I realize since the course starts at 8:00 a.m. you'd have to come down on a Saturday night to make it on time - but the $20 to reserve the course is refundable and a night at one of the local Super 8's, etc. would be an inexpensive way to get your license. They provide a 250 bike and the instructors, whom I've grown to know over the years of taking the courses, tell me it's a real hoot for someone with even a modicum of 2 wheeling background - you get to rail around on a 250 and you don't really care if you drop it, etc. since it's not yours! If you can't qualify for the IRP course, sign up for the Beginning Course - but it's over two days (Sat-Sun). Not only will one of the above courses ensure you a licence - they may save your life with the things you learn! I've lost count of how many times I've taken these courses and I come away from every class with new/better skills.
After reading all of these posts, I now feel that I am fortunate to have a regular Arizona Motorcycle license. I have a business in California and a now a home home in Arizona. Just before California license was to expire, I decided to renew it in Arizona. I had just sold my Harley and did not expect to be riding again. When they asked me if I wanted motorcyle left on it, I almost said no but went with it anyway. I did not have to take a driving test and my license is Motorcycle Endorsed. Just got the Spyder and my license is good until May of 2011.
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