I think this proves itself...

[bone crusher]

Not being paranoid bro. Just saying that it is not possible to define a stopping point. I am an overweight guy who does wear a helmet doesn't smoke and doesn't drink to extreme. So it would be a easy for me to pick and choose what everyone else gets covered for but I simply am imperfect so I can't make that choice for others.

Yes, kids have higher incidences of accidents and pay more I don't dispute that. People who exceed the speed limit probably have higher incidences of accidents than those who don't speed. Have you ever exceeded the posted limit? If so perhaps you shouldn't be covered if you are in an accident. In states where it is legal to go without a helmet how can you say that should not be covered, but a person illegally speeding should be?

Women have higher incidences of breast cancer, blacks have higher incidences of high blood pressure… should those not be covered?

Again, it is easy to point to things to not cover if you don't fall into that group, but that will eventually come home to roost.

People who have served this country didn't do so for specific rights or freedoms that you or anyone else should choose. They paid the price for FREEDOM. The singular.

We just disagree on this. Not being paranoid. We both just have an opinion. Thank God neither of us have ultimate power. LOL!!

At least we agree on being SpyderLovers.

Peace bro and have a great 4th!

I'm with ya! Have a great 4th and no matter what happens, be safe and have fun!!

 

[bone crusher]

Perhaps we should be wearing them when we drive our cars?:dontknow:

Chris

Hah...that's the whole point of the cage...actually, neck injuries are far worse in cars vs. head injuries...than again, if they are severe enough, you will see concussions. Only in the case of a broadsided impact at high speeds will you tend to see skull fractures as passengers on both sides of the car risk impacting one another or the door columns in the vehicle.

 

[arntufun]

Sounds like you don't have a lot of respect for the men in uniform... I'm sure you have your reasons...

That said, it also sounds like no matter what they say you will pick it apart and use it against them.

How do you know they have no evidence? The article doesn't need to prove anything. News is all about speculation these days, very little is factual and objective. If the news wants to poke fun at an unfortunate situation and use it to support their own opinion, they can and do... and did.

Feel free to hate the reporter for their abuse of the situation. But don't use it as an excuse to discredit law enforcement. There's plenty of factual ways to do that.

What if the department claimed that he would likely have survived because he had almost no injuries anywhere else in or on his body? He landed head first.

My family makes a habit of bouncing their heads off the pavement, always with a helmet, and we're all still alive to talk about it... and bitch about our insurance

Keep it cool, keep it real, no need to sling mud just for the sake of slinging it.

Sorry if I'm throwing gasoline on a fire... I'm a bit of a pyro... :doorag:

Opinion: It was not the place or the time for the trooper to make
that statement.
Opinion: Most Cops think they are above the law.
Fact: I was not commenting on the reporter of the news.
Fact: The trooper that made this ignorant comment is just a trooper.
Fact: Trooper is not a expert to make any comments what would or
wouldn't happen if he was wearing a helmet (SPECULATION).
Fact: The above text in bold is now speculation on your part.
Fact: You do not just hit your head when you wreck a motorcycle.
Fact: I did not understand your paragragh where you bounce your
head off the pavement.
Fact: I never sling mud, I only give my opinion. Some of my opinions
people will not like.
Fact: Being a pyro, you will need more than a book of matches in
Alaska in winter. I was commenting on your last sentence.
:roflblack::roflblack:
Fact: I respect your opinion and still like your green Spyder. :thumbup:

 

[grumpybob]

I didn't know the gentleman from Parish that was killed, although I spent a lot of time in Parish a few years ago training and putting on pancake breakfasts for the Search and Rescue team Both Nan & I were on.

A helmet has save my life twice. Once in Nam, although it still took 26 stitches to sew the side of my head up after they pulled the metal out of it. Once in a motorcycle accident when I hit the road doing about 65 mph.

My two friends, Tom Boas and Gary Cavallero both killed on cycles. Gary was going 25 - 30 miles an hour across a railroad track. Tom was hit head on by a Caddy on a foggy morning. Both were wearing helmets.

I was asked to go on the protest ride but did not go. Sometimes s**t happens and no matter what nothing can prevent it.

All we can do is our best to protect ourselves in the fashion we think is best at the moment and go with it.

I feel for his family and friends.

 

[Bob Denman]

Fact: The trooper that made this ignorant comment is just a trooper.
Fact: Trooper is not an expert to make any comments what would or
wouldn't happen if he was wearing a helmet (SPECULATION).
Fact: You do not just hit your head when you wreck a motorcycle.
Fact: I never sling mud, I only give my opinion. Some of my opinions
people will not like.

Somebody's got their gripe on against LEOs... JMHO
1st fact: that he was in fact a Trooper makes your first noted fact a bit heavy-handed... and mean spirited (just a trooper...)
2nd fact... Troopers are trained in accident reconstruction techniques so that they can figure out what happened when it hit the fan.
3rd fact... That's why I would have like a bit more info... Was there a secondary impact ?
Your 4th fact is largely supposition.
Give them a chance. They're out there putting their lives on the line for us! (Hey! 3 different ones in one sentance! )
...and your yellow Spyder ain't too half bad either! :2thumbs::2thumbs:

 

[arntufun]

Somebody's got their gripe on against LEOs... JMHO
1st fact: that he was in fact a Trooper makes your first noted fact a bit heavy-handed... and mean spirited (just a trooper...)
2nd fact... Troopers are trained in accident reconstruction techniques so that they can figure out what happened when it hit the fan.
3rd fact... That's why I would have like a bit more info... Was there a secondary impact ?
Your 4th fact is largely supposition.
Give them a chance. They're out there putting their lives on the line for us! (Hey! 3 different ones in one sentance! )
...and your yellow Spyder ain't too half bad either! :2thumbs::2thumbs:

Bob, So they are trained to speculate ??? My point exactly !!! Thank you. :roflblack::roflblack: You can't say a "regular" trooper can reconstruct a accident. Thats why they depend on experts to come to the scene. But they can tell you how fresh the donut is sitting on the shelf at Dunkin Donuts. So that does count for something. :roflblack: Your RT is purty also. :thumbup::thumbup:

 

[Bob Denman]

:hun: As close as you are to Albany and you don't have any frineds who have been to that Academy?
Now I'll admit that I've got friends (or at least friendly adversaries! ) who have been there and taught there...Accident reconstruction is part of what gets stuffed under their cool-lookng hats during their stay. (ask one about tear gas day!:roflblack
Donuts?? Who mentioned DONUTS????? :shocked:

Anyway; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happens during an "incident". I've been doing my job here for 33 years (filling out accident reports... :gaah and can almost do it! We didn't actually get enough from the report to know, but there was lots more information available at the scene that would point to the culprit...

 

[arntufun]

:hun: As close as you are to Albany and you don't have any frineds who have been to that Academy?
Now I'll admit that I've got friends (or at least friendly adversaries! ) who have been there and taught there...Accident reconstruction is part of what gets stuffed under their cool-lookng hats during their stay. (ask one about tear gas day!:roflblack
Donuts?? Who mentioned DONUTS????? :shocked:

Anyway; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happens during an "incident". I've been doing my job here for 33 years (filling out accident reports... :gaah and can almost do it! We didn't actually get enough from the report to know, but there was lots more information available at the scene that would point to the culprit...

Great debate Bob. In my area we have had many LEO's that have got in trouble lately from a variety of different offenses, so it has left a bad taste in my mouth about LEO's thinking they are above the law. One Trooper accually ran over a guy I knew during the night off duty and kept going. The person that he hit body parts were found underneath his truck. The only reason he got caught was, the troopers girlfriend called the cops on him when they got home. The trooper is claiming that he was already dead when he hit him. BS he wasn't dead already !! So I hope you can understand my opinions of LEO's. :thumbup::thumbup:

 

[Bob Denman]

Are they perfect? Of course not... Should they try to be? Shouldn't we all?

Have you ever ridden with the Blue Knights? I firmly believe that their mtto ought to be "Ride With Impunity" The first thing that they do when pulled over for speeding is pull out their badges... :roflblack:... en masse!
That having been said, I still thank them for putting themsleves in between civilized society and the morons out there! :shocked:

 

[arntufun]

Are they perfect? Of course not... Should they try to be? Shouldn't we all?

Have you ever ridden with the Blue Knights? I firmly believe that their mtto ought to be "Ride With Impunity" The first thing that they do when pulled over for speeding is pull out their badges... :roflblack:... en masse!
That having been said, I still thank them for putting themsleves in between civilized society and the morons out there! :shocked:

And Rodney King thanks you for that !!! :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[fleegeds]

Slippery slope? Please don't be paranoid and this has nothing to do with Independence Day...come on...nobody in uniform has died for our country protecting car or motorcycle rights...this is a simple safety issue...like seat belts, anti-lock brakes, airbags, car seats, etc...

A flaw with your argument is that underage drivers DO pay more for insurance...why? Because it's been proven they're far more dangerous behind the wheel. You know those actuarialists? They're good at this stuff...it's also been proven that not wearing a helmet leads to far more problems.

I don't mind if people don't want to wear a helmet...just do it on your own dime. I don't want taxpayer money or insurance money (because our premiums go up) covering someone who is now not functional and in a hospital for years...this is a case of it's nobody's fault but your own.

For me, it's the same with cigarette smoking. We all know the hazards...if you smoke and get lung cancer, too bad...take care of yourself. It's nobody's fault but your own.

What is wrong with personal responsibility? I don't understand... One reason this country has major issues is because anytime something happens, it's someone else's fault. People need to be responsible for their actions...period!

This is right on... (not to distract from the banter) :roflblack:

Freedom with Responsibility

You choose you pay. Yes I know other people will miss them but that is also part of there decision. Removing freedom to stop people from being stupid is never going to fix things and just make life harder for everyone else.

child safety on lighters and med is good, they are too young to understand the ramifications of there decisions, but when we try to out law stupidity it is never going to happen.

 

[wyliec]

Great debate Bob. In my area we have had many LEO's that have got in trouble lately from a variety of different offenses, so it has left a bad taste in my mouth about LEO's thinking they are above the law. One Trooper accually ran over a guy I knew during the night off duty and kept going. The person that he hit body parts were found underneath his truck. The only reason he got caught was, the troopers girlfriend called the cops on him when they got home. The trooper is claiming that he was already dead when he hit him. BS he wasn't dead already !! So I hope you can understand my opinions of LEO's. :thumbup::thumbup:

This I find interesting. I'm checking with my daughter. She usually tells me this type of stuff. Her husband is a Trooper and I'm curious as to the disposition of this case.

 

[arntufun]

This I find interesting. I'm checking with my daughter. She usually tells me this type of stuff. Her husband is a Trooper and I'm curious as to the disposition of this case.

Here is the article about it. He was not lying in the road like the tropper said. He was walking on the side of it. :cus: lying Trooper. I'm sure his cop buddys will help get him out of it. Link below.



http://blog.timesunion.com/crime/trooper-charged-with-leaving-the-scene-of-a-fatal-accident/8139/

 

[Bob Denman]

I can't believe that this almost proves my point... :shocked: here we have an obvious poor choice for a career in law enforcement and you seem pretty willing to paint all Police; even the good ones, with the same broad brush.

Kind of like when a motorcyclist does something stupid (Or a hunter... or someone who is left-handed :hun: :shocked:...), and everybody takes it in the neck as a result.

Thanks for the link!

 

[arntufun]

I can't believe that this almost proves my point... :shocked: here we have an obvious poor choice for a career in law enforcement and you seem pretty willing to paint all Police; even the good ones, with the same broad brush.

Kind of like when a motorcyclist does something stupid (Or a hunter... or someone who is left-handed :hun: :shocked:...), and everybody takes it in the neck as a result.

Thanks for the link!

Your probably right. I'm painting with a broad brush. I still thing your awesome bob !!! By the way, I'm left handed ! LOL

 

[IWN2RYD]

This is a horrible topic. Nothing but wounds and emotional responses ever come of this.

But you know what. This fella should be covered. Otherwise then new "Restrictions" will be added.... OOPS... You fell off the back of your porch that was built in 1991? Sorry no coverage, you should have had up-to-code balusters installed. "Denied"...

That said. How many here absolutely hated when your County or State made the helmet a ticket-able offense? Then Law?

Now how many of us in that group (I was one of them) have seen accidents, colleges, friends, family or what have you, get hurt or die but you know in your heart that had that person(s) been wearing a helmet would be less injured or alive today? Or heck, feel Blessed with the gift of life because you lived when not wearing a helmet during a motorcycle accident? That is me as well.

We went through this same back and forth when seat-belts became a ticket-able offense and then Law. Yes some folks that got ejected in an accident lived. Now how many of those today do we see? Not many. Most feel bad because had they of been seat-belted they may have lived.

The amount of data is overwhelming to the fact that Helmets save lives. Period.

As far as I am concerned, it is the same as a seat-belt. You want to drive a car. Wear one. If you want to ryde a motorcycle type vehicle, wear a helmet and protective gear.

If not, do your ryding on private property and stay off the roads my tax dollars pay for. nojoke

 

[Bob Denman]

Your probably right I'm painting with a broad brush. I still thing your awesome bob !!!

Gosh... I can feel the man love... scary... :shocked: :roflblack:

 

[qasamm]

I wear a helmet just in case there is an afterlife. I do not want to hear "I told you so" from my wife, mother, son....

 

[Firefly]

No time to read all over responses--- but how did this guy cost anyone a dime on medical bills? If he had been wearing a helmet *maybe* he only would have been brain damaged and required 24 hour care for the next 30 years.

There's no good proof either way on this.

It's a personal choice- plain and simple- just like seat belts should be for adults.

Now, if my MC insurance company wants to charge me more because I don't wear a helmet then so be it. This is what they used to do with seat belts.

 

[boborgera]

Now, if my MC insurance company wants to charge me more because I don't wear a helmet then so be it. This is what they used to do with seat belts.

:agree:
They charge more to tobacco users also.
Hey, They charge more for sport bikes.