I talked with BRP for a rebate for 2013 to 2014

[ARtraveler]

The OP presents an interesting scenario. I do not know how the mechanics of such a rebate would work.

:ani29:: $3000 off on a new 2014 would be an inviting incentive on a RT for sure.

:ani29:: What is going to happen to the 2013 trade in value though--IMO, that is a really BIG question? The reputation of the 2013's (ST's and RT's)--once again IMO--is damaged, and sooner or later that will impact what happens with resale value in the market.

:ani29:: Trading in a 2013 for a 2014--once again IMO--is going to be a big "hit" on the owner due to the issues involved. In most cases, you can take up to a 25% "hit" off of what you paid for it originally--and that is without taking the 2013 issues into consideration. My 2010 is currently worth 52% of what I paid for it on a trade in. (Not that I have been looking or anything like that :roflblack. I recently paid cash for a new 2014 car--and would not consider dumping it for many years--due to the fact that it is now worth about 75% or ballpark of sticker price.

:ani29:: I don't think that "repurposing" 2013 trade in's would be a feasible option. Once again, IMO--there would be a very limited market for a vehicle like that.

:ani29:: Glad I don't have to be the one to make these "earthshaking" types of decisions. There is a large can of worms going on the with the 2013 year.

:ani29:: If the 2014's come off as advertised and the fixes for the 2013's work, then hopefully we can turn the corner on this one.

I do not want to see BRP fail, nor the product line go away. Most of us are strong advocates for the brand, we now have three distinct flavors of the product, and that is great for a larger market. I personally have been very vocal since coming aboard SL in 2010. I have given praise where it is due, and criticisim where I have deemed it necessary. I know I have stepped on a few toes and don't have the popularity rating that some have--but--hope that helps you folks see where I am coming from.

I love my :spyder2:'s and would like to jump in one more time on the 2014. Time will tell.

 

[bullant12]

"Cash for Clunkers" anyone?:doorag: In this case "Fire trades":roflblack:

In my case, I am happy with my '13 at 8100 miles. No heat issues, did the recall and no damage. I'll keep Valerie for a few years or until she dies on me...:thumbup:

 

[muonwhiz]

I would be wary of the 2014 RT line, with the new engine and transmission there is no telling what problems may arise. Don't forget that both 2013 and 2014 are the first years of production lines with major changes from the prior format. If you can hold onto your ride, you might fare better by waiting at least a year to see what issues come up with the 2014s.

 

[finless]

If you can hold onto your ride, you might fare better by waiting at least a year to see what issues come up with the 2014s.

That for sure is my plan. My 2011 is running great and no issues so far in 2,500 miles.
I will wait a year maybe 2 before dropping the coin to upgrade.
Also RT's seem to hold value pretty well in the private sales area.
Considering what I paid for mine by a motivated seller, I know I could sell mine now for what I paid for it or more.

Bob

 

[murphybrown]

I disagree

How many have you seen burst into flame? How many actual reports have you read about them bursting into flames. I believe there have only been TWO and considering the number sold that is an insignificant amount.

Carl

ONE IS TO MANY....and if it is "your" one than that moves it to the top of the NOT ACCEPTABLE scale. :yikes:

 

[Sny]

My 2010 is currently worth 52% of what I paid for it on a trade in.

My 2013 STS is worth 60% of what I paid for it on trade in if that tells you anything... time to shop around the tradins.

One thing to remember is that if you never go far or ride in 90+ temps you don't have these heat issues. I still ride mine to work every day and when I get home it's not hot, I have no seat heat issues, I have no boiling gas, no gas fumes...

But when I ride long distances (back to back tanks of gas on the interstate) I get bright red thighs that feel like sunburn for days, I smell extremely strong gas odor for 4+ hours when I park it in the garage (EPA?) and I'll have sizzling gas when filling up (only on those 100F days tho).

I won't do long trips in the summer on a 2013 ST. It's uncomfortable, it's self destructive to the machine, it's dangerous and the constant worry of a limp home overheat while 500+ miles from home is too much to deal with.

But if you just ride around town and do little 50 mile trips, I suspect you'll never even notice and think we're all nuts. And you'll enjoy the heck out of your 2013

BRP knows this. And they know that only a percentage will have any problems and only a fraction of those will actually do anything about it. This is smart business. It's up to us, the ones having problems, to be heard so we're not forgotten.

 

[RandyL]

In my case, I am happy with my '13 at 8100 miles. No heat issues, did the recall and no damage. I'll keep Valerie for a few years or until she dies on me...:thumbup:

Wow, this is certainly good to hear, we pick up our new '13 STS on Saturday and I'm worried sick about the heat issue! Hard to understand though how some can have heat issues and some not.

 

[flaggerphil]

Another thing I bought this bike with SAFETY IN MIND for my wife and I. HOW SAFE IS THAT WHEN IT CAN BURST INTO FLAMES. This purchase was like a once-in-a-lifetime thing for me I don't always go out and spend $20,000+on a pleasure Item.

Have you actually had heat related issues on your bike?

 

[Bob Denman]

...not all bikes appear to be affected to the same extent...

 

[cuznjohn]

OCD

ok i think i now have OCD with this heat issue. i don't care if my bike catches fire, i have insurance to cover that and as long as no one gets hurt who cares. but i do worry about my right foot. being diabetic i worry about cuts and scrapes and especially burns. diabetics don't heal right and my brother in law had a foot removed from a burn, and this really worries me. so that being said i just wrote another e mail to BRP, i am sending e mails so i can have hard copies for my record, i explained about my health concerns and also told them that if nothing is done i will start a LEMON LAW CASE against BRP because i feel i have a good case. i also mentioned a incentive program they could start to help out us 2013 RT/S owners so we don't lose our shirts over this issue. some of you might think i am nuts going this far with them but i am a person that feels if i pay really good money to buy something i should get my money's worth and not something i am afraid to use.

 

[Ronbo]

REBATE

I had a long talk with BRP today about the band aid they are giving us 2013 owners that doesn't really address the real issue which is increased temps inside the Tupperware due to moving components around and the boiling gas and lack of a Cat insulator plate issues and told them it is only a band aid. Being retired from GM I know what heat does to rubber over time. I told them I am not happy with just a band aid to fix a design issue due to a 2014 frame with 2012 engine setup. Included the lower plastic pan changes and told them I worry every time I ride even after the recall ( which will be done Fri). I told them they are doing something for the ST to increase airflow but not the RT. They was a lot more banter about what I think needs done and I requested a $3k Rebate for 2013 owners to upgrade to 2014 models that seem to address all of the issues. They said they would get back to me with a more senior person to discuss it. I will keep you posted on the out come,:2thumbs:

I would certainly upgrade to a 2014 with a rebate r enhanced trade-in I have2013 RT limited with 3000 miles.
Ronbo

 

[RBS66]

Have you actually had heat related issues on your bike?

Depends on the temperature outside some days the bike feels hotter than others. I am also not sure about the gas fumes once I finish riding. I have 520 miles on the bike I will let you know more because I get the recall done tomorrow.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Boots?

ok i think i now have OCD with this heat issue. i don't care if my bike catches fire, i have insurance to cover that and as long as no one gets hurt who cares. but i do worry about my right foot. being diabetic i worry about cuts and scrapes and especially burns. diabetics don't heal right and my brother in law had a foot removed from a burn, and this really worries me. so that being said i just wrote another e mail to BRP, i am sending e mails so i can have hard copies for my record, i explained about my health concerns and also told them that if nothing is done i will start a LEMON LAW CASE against BRP because i feel i have a good case. i also mentioned a incentive program they could start to help out us 2013 RT/S owners so we don't lose our shirts over this issue. some of you might think i am nuts going this far with them but i am a person that feels if i pay really good money to buy something i should get my money's worth and not something i am afraid to use.

I am sure that with your concerns with your feet that you are wearing proper fitting ryding boots. I noticed that boots made a Huge difference in any heat on my feet.

 

[cuznjohn]

shoes

I am sure that with your concerns with your feet that you are wearing proper fitting ryding boots. I noticed that boots made a Huge difference in any heat on my feet.

i ware what i can on the day i ride, if my feet are not swollen i wear a good pair of work boots. if not i put on what will fit that day.

 

[Pennyrick]

I have no dog in the hunt since I did not trade our '12's for the 13 model. I had a hunch they would upgrade the machines but I figured it would be 2015, never believing they could get such massive changes off the ground in time to market in 2014.

But I certainly can understand the unhappiness of some (but not all) 2013 buyers.

Safety aspects aside though, is it any different than the '48 Oldsmobile buyer who was ticked off when the '49's came out with a new V-8? Or, don't you think the '38 Ford buyers were ticked off when the '39 Ford came out with Hydraulic brakes. Or, Apple Mac buyers in 2005 who were very unhappy when Apple switched to the faster, more robust Intel processor the following year.

Companies are always innovating and improving products. I don't feel they have any obligation to compensate buyers who are upset that the latest improvements weren't included in their purchases.

They do have an obligation to make them safe, thus the shielding but I don't feel they have an obligation just to make them more comfortable.

 

[Bob Denman]

i ware what i can on the day i ride, if my feet are not swollen i wear a good pair of work boots. if not i put on what will fit that day.

John
Try BRP's RT boots... :thumbup: They have some adjustability in how they fit.
:lecturef_smilie: Don't monkey around with improperly fitting boots...nojoke

 

[flamingobabe]

I know that I like to ride and take long distance trips...in 2 1/2 years I put 54,000 miles on my 2009 RS....2013 ST-L in June when I found the melted master cylinder I had 7,500 miles...and was ready to travel north for the summer.....put 2000 miles going to Wisconsin.....but since I got home in July every time I take her out I have more and more issues......can't ride her...in the shop....everybody has to do what is right for them.....I have too much invested and I won't give up....will not pick up my bike until all is fixed....

 

[Sny]

They do have an obligation to make them safe, thus the shielding but I don't feel they have an obligation just to make them more comfortable.

Absolutely...

However I think they do have an obligation to make them last longer than the warranty. The kind of heat under the tupperware is the kind the damages rubber hoses and destroys electronics. It might take some time but we've already seen brake master cylinder caps melt (recall: added shielding) purge valves fail (recall: added foil tape to valve) evap cannisters melt and catch fire (recall: added foil tape to evap cannister) and parking brake cables melt and sieze (recall: added foil tape to parts of cable).

Want to start a poll on what part suffers from heat damage next?

There's too much heat. It's not the case of too little foil tape. It's gonna look like we're afraid aliens are reading our thoughts with all this foil tape everywhere.

I find myself looking at the new RT. Not because of the great new engine and transmission... but because I want to get away from all these 2013 issues.

Reduce the heat. Increase air. Fix the problem.

I certainly wouldn't want to own a 2013 past the 2 year warranty. If they don't fix this, there will be so much bitching in another 14 months or so as the warranties start wearing out and all the parts start failing from heat fatigue.

 

[cuznjohn]

understand

I have no dog in the hunt since I did not trade our '12's for the 13 model. I had a hunch they would upgrade the machines but I figured it would be 2015, never believing they could get such massive changes off the ground in time to market in 2014.

But I can certainly can understand the unhappiness of some (but not all) 2013 buyers.

Safety aspects aside though, is it any different than the '48 Oldsmobile buyer who was ticked off when the '49's came out with a new V-8? Or, don't you think the '38 Ford buyers were ticked off when the '39 Ford came out with Hydraulic brakes. Or, Apple Mac buyers in 2005 who were very unhappy when Apple switched to the faster, more robust Intel processor the following year.

Companies are always innovating and improving products. I don't feel they have any obligation to compensate buyers who are upset that the latest improvements weren't included in their purchases.

They do have an obligation to make them safe, thus the shielding but I don't feel they have an obligation just to make them more comfortable.

i have no problem with company's coming out with new products, it happens with everything. look at apple they come out with a new phone every year, so the people with the funds to buy the newer ones do and others don't. i went from my 2012 BMW to the spyder because at 62 and health problems getting worse and wanting to keep riding as long as i can, so i bought something safer for me to ride and not have to worry about one day putting my feet down and dropping a bike. i am retired and spent good money for a bike that i felt would help me with continuing to ride, not one that i have to worry about burns, BRP knew this problem existed but kept selling bikes when they knew that they fixed the problems on the new models and kept selling the bikes when i ordered mine in June that is what pissed me off.

 

[flamingobabe]

I asked to have all rubber parts replaced...we'll see what BRP does......I will not close my case until all issues and parts are fixed and/or replaced........the heat will reduce the life drastically.... we have at best a 18 to 24 month bike...that's about an average of $1250 per month to say you own a Spyder ST