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I need more power, Scotty!
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ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
There are some options to juice up the performance of the :spyder2:. A couple from 2008 and 2009 put turbochargers on their :ani29:'s. A couple blown engines were the result, if I am not mistaken. Not sure what that will do to your warranty, but am guessing that must not be an issue for you.
See posts by Seth-O and Doc Doru. Might be some others, but don't remember them. Both of the above like speed.
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PMK
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Honestly, when you compare modern moto engines, the 1330 is pretty tame. For it's displacement it is derated to maybe 65% of what that size engine could produce. Add in the additional weight, the additional rotating weight, increased frontal area and it all adds up. Still fun, but no racer.
FWIW, the RT series is worse with more bodywork and a barndoor windscreen.
If Lamont does get his F3 dialed in and sprayed, assuming the engine platform and gearbox can handle the HP, his machine should run.
PK
FWIW, the RT series is worse with more bodywork and a barndoor windscreen.
If Lamont does get his F3 dialed in and sprayed, assuming the engine platform and gearbox can handle the HP, his machine should run.
PK
thugsmasher
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I though I was the only one who felt like this bike ran like a mid level fighter and not the champ it has the potential to be. My 1000 outlander max would out run my F3 0-60. I hope the bike warms up a little more or we will be parting ways sooner than later.
Highwayman2013
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Start with the exhaust, that should free up some power.http://www.shopspyderlovers.com/performance-3/
Dennis in Lodi
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What the can-am demo tech said to me at spyderfest 2015
I come from the racing cycle world and was surprised how completely different the motors feel in an F3 and an RT with both being 1330cc. At spyderfest 2015 there was a very busy can-am tech guy and we got down to the bones about this motor. Here is what he shared. This motor is capable of spining an easy 10,500 to 11,00 rpm with the existing cam and bucket valve set up. With ECU, exhaust and intrack changes he says this motor has been getting 150 hp in factory testing. In a snowmobile motor they have gotten 175 hp.
He said, Both the F3 and especially the RT retard the timing to restrict power after 6,000 rpm where in the racing world you advance timing to get a compounding difference in engine performance. Kind of a liability thing.
He said, bottom line is this motor can dependably deliver easy 135 hp @ 10,500 rpm. It all starts with convincing company's that do ECU reflashing that there is enough interest to take on our system. And we need to convince company's like Dyno Jet to support our bikes with a product. Right now I don't find one on their site
Next winter I am sending my 2015 RT ECU out to my contact for the following changes.
1. get rid of the wait period before you can start the RT.
2. Change nanny to the F3 specs so I can lift a wheel in a corner.
3. knock out the government mandated fuel cut on closed throttle
4. Smooth out the timing curves to the suggested 7,500 redline. Mine is a touring bike after all
For your F3 want list it is no different than racing cycles.
1. Kill nanny and live on the edge. ECU
2. No cat and a good header and muffler.
3. 10,500 red line with full power curves in all gears. ECU
4. Knock out fuel cut. ECU
5. Fuel management system set up on a dyno machine. I can' find one for can-ams??
If we all call companys like this: http://ecunleashed.com/ and talk to tuners like this: http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/index.htm we can get the ball rolling and the rest will follw the money with the supporting products we need.
Just thought I would share what the tech told me not to do. Wink Wink
I come from the racing cycle world and was surprised how completely different the motors feel in an F3 and an RT with both being 1330cc. At spyderfest 2015 there was a very busy can-am tech guy and we got down to the bones about this motor. Here is what he shared. This motor is capable of spining an easy 10,500 to 11,00 rpm with the existing cam and bucket valve set up. With ECU, exhaust and intrack changes he says this motor has been getting 150 hp in factory testing. In a snowmobile motor they have gotten 175 hp.
He said, Both the F3 and especially the RT retard the timing to restrict power after 6,000 rpm where in the racing world you advance timing to get a compounding difference in engine performance. Kind of a liability thing.
He said, bottom line is this motor can dependably deliver easy 135 hp @ 10,500 rpm. It all starts with convincing company's that do ECU reflashing that there is enough interest to take on our system. And we need to convince company's like Dyno Jet to support our bikes with a product. Right now I don't find one on their site
Next winter I am sending my 2015 RT ECU out to my contact for the following changes.
1. get rid of the wait period before you can start the RT.
2. Change nanny to the F3 specs so I can lift a wheel in a corner.
3. knock out the government mandated fuel cut on closed throttle
4. Smooth out the timing curves to the suggested 7,500 redline. Mine is a touring bike after all
For your F3 want list it is no different than racing cycles.
1. Kill nanny and live on the edge. ECU
2. No cat and a good header and muffler.
3. 10,500 red line with full power curves in all gears. ECU
4. Knock out fuel cut. ECU
5. Fuel management system set up on a dyno machine. I can' find one for can-ams??
If we all call companys like this: http://ecunleashed.com/ and talk to tuners like this: http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/index.htm we can get the ball rolling and the rest will follw the money with the supporting products we need.
Just thought I would share what the tech told me not to do. Wink Wink
Chupaca
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Well..!!
you have a lot to contend with but those mentioned can give you some pointers. Or gut it put in a hyabusa engine in and smoke them all. You will have to figure out all the computer controled safety stuff or loose it. Abs, dps, vss and all the other ss'es...if you do you will show us before you head out...:thumbup:
you have a lot to contend with but those mentioned can give you some pointers. Or gut it put in a hyabusa engine in and smoke them all. You will have to figure out all the computer controled safety stuff or loose it. Abs, dps, vss and all the other ss'es...if you do you will show us before you head out...:thumbup:
Rogue Hawk
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Rogue Hawk
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Dennis in Lodi
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Same cc as the Hybusa motor
Even better than a busa, we have a triple cylinder which by design has perfect primary crank balance. i e, no counter balancers needed on the crank. We share the same shim and bucket cam system design. My ECU guy is already weenie whineing about all the 1s and 0s of code he has to sort through to find my requested changes. I lied to him and told him if he cracks the divinci codes that thousands of my fellow cam-am riders will sign up for his services. Litterly ECU code needles in a hay stack. But for hot rod can-am needs it all starts in the ECU changes.
Even better than a busa, we have a triple cylinder which by design has perfect primary crank balance. i e, no counter balancers needed on the crank. We share the same shim and bucket cam system design. My ECU guy is already weenie whineing about all the 1s and 0s of code he has to sort through to find my requested changes. I lied to him and told him if he cracks the divinci codes that thousands of my fellow cam-am riders will sign up for his services. Litterly ECU code needles in a hay stack. But for hot rod can-am needs it all starts in the ECU changes.
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MikeP
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200 pounds is a huge difference... Add to that the F3 smokes the rear tire pretty much at will!!!
Solving the traction issue would be first on the list..
MikeP
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This might work
Yes,,, I'm sure that would more than scratch that itch for speed!!! Looks sweeeeet!!!
blacklightning
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If I had the funds or the know how to do the conversion, I would install the V4 from a 2nd. generation Vmax. That is 200 hp, with a lot of tq. as well. It would be the perfect sleeper if this could be installed on a ST platform.:yikes:
Dennis, have you by any chance looked to see if BRP is still using the Seimens ECU with the 14'+ 1330 motor setups?
A close contact has done all of what your saying with the cable controlled v990 setups. Great success with the tuning on the engine, touch and go toning down the nanny without turning it completely off.
A close contact has done all of what your saying with the cable controlled v990 setups. Great success with the tuning on the engine, touch and go toning down the nanny without turning it completely off.
The Spyder is not a fast bike. Truthfully this is the first bike I've owned that it seems is frequently being challenged by 4 wheelers! Many lesser cc motorcycles are faster. Also take into consideration that you are pushing a lot of rubber down the road and displacing a lot of air. I believe the open wheel / tire also has a negative affect on fuel economy.
I love my Spyder but did not buy it for speed. I compare it more to a car when it comes to how fast it is. I also would say it is the most FUN bike I've ever owned:thumbup:
Good luck with your modifications; let us know what you come up with and ride safe.
Bob Denman
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:agree: 200 pounds makes all the difference in the World...
The Spyder was never designed to compete directly against the leaners, in contest of speeds.
Go find yourself a new Kawasaki Ninja H2, if it's that important to you...
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