I need more power, Scotty!

[1blackbeauty]

http://www.monster-products.com

I'm sure this guy could build a stand alone ECU. I have the full tune monster ECU on my quad and have full control of every possible engine adjustment. Dual cylinder auto tune also.

 

[aeroshots]

Subscribed.
Two tuners had tunes available for Canam Turbo Mavericks within 3 months of products release. Wonder if one of them would be interested?

 

[Bob Denman]

Tune and tweak all that you want... :thumbup:


...The Spyder will never compete against even a "mere" 600cc sportbike. :shocked:

 

[bscrive]

My wife's STL is quite fast. I have a 2014 Valkyrie 1800 and I really have to twist the throttle to keep up with her. If you need more power then I would say that the Spyder is not for you.

 

[daveinva]

Tune and tweak all that you want... :thumbup:


...The Spyder will never compete against even a "mere" 600cc sportbike. :shocked:

Bob, I agree, but I think you're being too narrow in your verdict.

It's one thing to get 600cc sport, let alone a liter supersport bike, power out of a 1330 triple lugging around the F3's weight. I agree, that can't be done, and chasing that dream is fool's gold.

But there's a wiiiiiiddddddde gulf between a liter bike and even lesser bikes that all can get far more moxie out of smaller-displacement engines than the F3 appears to get out of 1330cc.

I think-- I *know*-- there is plenty of room for improvement in that engine. Only question is, how to get at it-- and get at it at a price that doesn't make the whole exercise a complete waste of money. :dontknow:

 

[aeroshots]

Wow. I'm surprised at all the closed minds here. Might as well not purchase any upgrades produced by others. If you want any then the Spyder is not for you.
To me, it's an enjoyable past time modify things with wheels. Helps businesses too.
Thanks for the advice though.

 

[kaamacat]

The one-up this machine has is the torque. I bet if you open this up just a small bit to 130HP,
offer some form of a "Stage1" kit for it with exhaust, intake swap, and a "power commander-ish"
type of tune... there would be a significant difference. May not be liter bike speed but, something
still not to explode the drivetrain, keep it a drivable unit... that would be nice. (I'd actually like to
see BRP open-up the ECU a tad to allow for a tad of oversteer in the corners so she rotates a bit
more).

 

[Bob Denman]

Wow. I'm surprised at all the closed minds here. Might as well not purchase any upgrades produced by others. If you want any then the Spyder is not for you.
To me, it's an enjoyable past time modify things with wheels. Helps businesses too.
Thanks for the advice though.

The point that I may have been doing a poor job, of trying to make: there are expectations... and there are pipe dreams...
My Grampa Denman had a good saying that covers this...
"Putting lipstick on a pig; won't turn it into a Swan. But you can still end up with a nice-looking Pig!"

 

[MercerLake]

More Power?

I have a F3-S SME and I love it, but it really sucks that all my 2 wheel buddies just smoke a 1330cc bike with only 200lbs difference, whats up with some mods I am really looking at a Aerocharger with exhaust and power commander V.

Ideas? possibilities?

Remember the "ROAD RUNNER & El COYOTE" with the ACME strp-on rocket? :joke:

 

[aeroshots]

The point that I may have been doing a poor job, of trying to make: there are expectations... and there are pipe dreams...
My Grampa Denman had a good saying that covers this...
"Putting lipstick on a pig; won't turn it into a Swan. But you can still end up with a nice-looking Pig!"

Sounds like something my Granddaddy would have said. Thanks for making me think of him.

 

[Bob Denman]

Glad that I could help...
My Grampa was about the wisest man that I ever knew... nojoke

I hope that yours was the same for you! :thumbup:

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

speed gains on a vehicle is not all horsepower... aero dynamics plays an important role in speed increases ... and a spyder is about aero dynamic as a barn door... if speed is your thing... buy a ZO1 Corvette .. it will run with just about anything on the road..



osm

 

[cmungen]

Nitrous forever.

The poor man,s performance.
Some one will develop a nitrous kit and we'll get crazy power.
Some engines will have to be sacrificed n the process!

After all this takes place; some kid on a used cycle of some sort will blow us away.

We'll do it for fun ----- and not to be the fastest! It's the wrong device to be the fastest!

Thanks for listening
Carl

 

[1blackbeauty]

I realize that beating 600's is not possible but it sure is fun spanking the old spyders. LOL

 

[Bob Denman]

More performance?

Look at the aero-drag and rolling friction...
Do you need those mean-looking side pods up on the hood? Lose them! What about cleaning up the airflow for the radiators? Cut down whatever you can, that is acting like a sail...
Go to skinnier tires: 155s up front, and either a 215 or 205 out back...

Lose some weight from the bike:
Drop the catalytic converter, and drop in a much smaller, lighter battery

NOW it's time to get serious with the engine. Pumping more air through it, means more horsepower.
Ditch the airbox, and OEM can out back. An open K&N, and your favorite free-flowing noisemaker out back ought to do it...
Add a fuel controller... it's going to pop and hiss like a Cobra when decelerating! :shocked:
Do all of this, and you MIGHT just have the fastest F-3 around.... for about 20 minutes, and then somebody will outspend you!! :banghead:

Your money; your game! :thumbup:
(Played this one out with snowmobiles over 20 years ago...)

 

[Racy2]

Wow. I'm surprised at all the closed minds here. Might as well not purchase any upgrades produced by others. If you want any then the Spyder is not for you.
To me, it's an enjoyable past time modify things with wheels. Helps businesses too.

Thanks for the advice though.

I rode one a few days ago and would not buy one the way it is. My RS would beat it the way it is. Don't get discouraged by the slow pokes. There is lots of room for more power out of this engine. Even the techs with BRP agreed there was way more power in that engine but would not say to much about getting it out and maintaining reliability. Just a matter of time

 

[jcthorne]

speed gains on a vehicle is not all horsepower... aero dynamics plays an important role in speed increases ... and a spyder is about aero dynamic as a barn door... if speed is your thing... buy a ZO1 Corvette .. it will run with just about anything on the road..



osm

I'll keep my little ol Ford thanks.

 

[Bob Denman]

Do You Mean...

this one?? :bowdown:

 

[sxonwls]

Want a fast Spyder??

this one?? :bowdown:

I currently own a 2008 GS and also just purchased a 2015 RT-S.

In 2009 an engineer from the one of the Aprilla race support teams developed a kit that put the Can Am 990 back close to the original specs of the 990 before Can Am de-tuned it for liability issues.

The kit included a set of high compression pistons, 02 modifier, new intake, exhaust. The setup makes 140 hp and halls ars! I have put 11,500 mls on the GS since the update with zero issues. I have raced several 600 crotch rockets and beat them to 100, after that the Spyder is just to heavy to stay with them. I have also raced the AeroCharger turbo Spyder setup at Spyderfest, beat that setup by 10 lengths in about a 1/4 mile, the techs were there from AC, they were not happy... 0-60 in just over 4 seconds

Trike is currently for sale in Minneapolis.

Making the RT go fast is the next project...

Daniel

 

[PMK]

I currently own a 2008 GS and also just purchased a 2015 RT-S.

In 2009 an engineer from the one of the Aprilla race support teams developed a kit that put the Can Am 990 back close to the original specs of the 990 before Can Am de-tuned it for liability issues.

The kit included a set of high compression pistons, 02 modifier, new intake, exhaust. The setup makes 140 hp and halls ars! I have put 11,500 mls on the GS since the update with zero issues. I have raced several 600 crotch rockets and beat them to 100, after that the Spyder is just to heavy to stay with them. I have also raced the AeroCharger turbo Spyder setup at Spyderfest, beat that setup by 10 lengths in about a 1/4 mile, the techs were there from AC, they were not happy... 0-60 in just over 4 seconds

Trike is currently for sale in Minneapolis.

Making the RT go fast is the next project...

Daniel

Before we purchased a Spyder, our first look was at the 2013 models with the small engine. I did some research and saw that list of mods you mentioned. It was a pretty well thought out setup and if I recall correctly certainly was not free.

It is such a great smile to have when you beat the factory or big teams at their own game. Something not everyone will experience.

PK