Bob Denman
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I just added a new, larger top to the pedal... 
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I know , I know, this is old news (Hand Brake lever)
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papoandma
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We have big deer that can jump out from the trees 20 feet from the narrow crappy hiway and at 60 mph there is no reaction time. :yikes: If my feet are a foot away fromthe brake it is all over. Sorry to hijack the thread.
We have big deer that can jump out from the trees 20 feet from the narrow crappy hiway and at 60 mph there is no reaction time. :yikes: If my feet are a foot away fromthe brake it is all over. Sorry to hijack the thread.
NancysToy
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It should probably be pointed out that BRP doesn't equip the Spyders with highway pegs (or offer them as an accessory), so they don't expect your foot to be away from the brake pedal. For sport bike and sport touring riders, much the same logic would apply, most don't have highway pegs, so their feet are always near the brake pedals. BRP has never recommends against either accessory, but they have just elected not to offer them. That is their prerogative, and it hasn't seemed to slow the sales of Spyders. Those that want or need them will add them, and the rest will use the money they saved for something else.
BTW, I'm not sure why BRP would need to explain why they made that decision, any more than the various automakers feel the need to explain why they put their cupholders where they did (or failed to do so).
BTW, I'm not sure why BRP would need to explain why they made that decision, any more than the various automakers feel the need to explain why they put their cupholders where they did (or failed to do so).
Bob Denman
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:gaah: And why don't they offer the RTs in GREEN??? :joke: :roflblack:
NancysToy
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.....or pink, or purple, or powder blue, or orange, etc. Henry Ford had the right idea..."Any color so long as it is black." He knew that nobody would be satisfied anyway. :roflblack:
Bob Denman
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I was only mentioning green since that might have saved Sparks from a wintertime chore...
We buy them the way that they're sold; then we spend the rest of the time complaining why they're not the way we wanted them in the frist place, and trying to re-make them to our own specifications! :shocked:
We buy them the way that they're sold; then we spend the rest of the time complaining why they're not the way we wanted them in the frist place, and trying to re-make them to our own specifications! :shocked:
NancysToy
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See, Henry Ford was right. You can't please everyone anyhow, so why not just tick everybody off. :roflblack:
Bob Denman
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I should preface my previous statement...
The MIssus and I wanted a Blue RT-S SE-5...
none could be found... :shocked:
We ended up with a Blue A&C SE-5
(Two out of three ain't bad!)
I spent two years turning it into the RT-S that I originally wanted...
hyea:
I didn't complain about why they didn't have any when I was in the mood to buy; I just dug in and got busy! :thumbup:
The MIssus and I wanted a Blue RT-S SE-5...
none could be found... :shocked:
We ended up with a Blue A&C SE-5
(Two out of three ain't bad!)
I spent two years turning it into the RT-S that I originally wanted...
hyea:I didn't complain about why they didn't have any when I was in the mood to buy; I just dug in and got busy! :thumbup:
+I've got 55k on mine and it's been my chief complaint. I even specifically referenced it in that phone survey several weeks ago. With 600k of two-wheeled riding preceding it, it's clearly missed. Regardless that BRP specifically stated this isn't a motorcycle and they weren't marketing to motorcyclists, the presumption that the rider's ass is going to remain in place during any given emergency braking (and possibly, avoidance action) is ludicrous. If you're bounced out of the saddle for any reason, hang on. If a long-time two-wheeled rider claims it's unnecessary, they're lying to you. Without adequate adjustability of the peg/brake setup, which allows the rider to comfortably cover the rear brake under normal circumstances, I observe most riders in a relaxed stance with their right toes dangling to the side, inhibiting their reaction time. The toes should be floating above the brake pedal. Someone else already mentioned the inability to maneuver the bike at a walking pace; it's a pain to use the pedal on the right side, and it's impossible to use it from the left.
Too many reasons for them not to include it...
Ride on.
Roadkill
wyliec
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Not if you're also using your foot at the same time.
what asp125 forwarded with the U-Tubes,, Is like the ISCI in some respects.. as in operating the footbrake.. a whole lot cheaper for sure.. But if I hadn't have bought the ISCI , I would have missed the joy of screws and bolts falling into the netherworld... and never, ever, totally, take out the screw on the handlebar cap when removing the twist grip:banghead:
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Not so! If your foot and hand move simultaneously to brake, as they should on a motorcycle, then grabbing air on a Spyder costs nothing but some embarrassment at yourself. There is no delay in the braking action whatsoever if your feet are on the pegs where BRP intended them to be.
I might add that by the logic that you must hover over the brake pedal to be safe, that you would also then need to ride with your fingers on the brake lever, with the throttle already rolled off, and in your car you would need to keep your foot hovering over the brake pedal. Sorry, I can't buy the argument. Reaction and braking time is very good on the Spyder when ridden as designed. With the Brembo brakes and larger discs on the 2013, it is even better. For those that feel they need more, or those that want something to accomodate their needs or riding style, an accessory hand brake is a great idea...but by no means is the lack of one unsafe.
CanAmChris
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Scotty is 100% on this. Three quarters of a two wheeled vehicles braking power is in the front. I used to hover my foot over the back brake on two wheels because I thought it would make it faster to stop. This is not true. Way back when I took the two wheel safety course the instructors told me more than once to stop hovering. I had the worst panic stop distance in the class even though I passed the course.
The Spyder broke my hovering habit and I am so glad it did. I am a much better rider on two wheels now that I don't hover.
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Dizneyman
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:agree:
+Proper riding technique on two or three wheels should include hovering the brake pedals and levers. Hovering a lever doesn't require any throttle reduction, and hovering a pedal shouldn't require any modification other than the rider's hip/knee/ankle bend comfort. You have faster response time. Period.
Ride on.
Roadkill
Ride on.
Roadkill
CanAmChris
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Please list scientific evidence of this. List studies done by real world tests of reaction times for humans on motorcycles and cages. There is a reason that everyone is now taught to drive with one foot and not two. The response time of the human brain is faster when only one appendage is needed to react. The State Trooper that ran the class I took had a huge problem with hovering and his 23 years of motorcycle experience was right.
Your brain can only do so many things at once. If you dedicate a part of your brain's time to making sure that your foot or hand is in the correct hovering position then you trade off response time.
It has been proven that a relaxed mind reacts faster and with more clear thought to situations then a hyper sensitive or pre-occupied mind.
Just sayin'
CAC
i've had over 45+ years of motorized riding ..(i keepaging myself--first motorized ride --1o or 11) I find not thinking but reacting is the best answer to avoiding road rash... I do my best to not fall and I go out of the way to achieve this.. sometmes I felt like I was dancing on the head of a needle
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