I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

[hotglue]

I would like to add my 2 cents to this thread by simply listing a few famous quotes:



"We all share a common bond"

"Can't we all just get along"

"I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bare"



And with that, does anyone else have anything to say or can we please just end this thread with those quotes and move on to new, more productive threads that will help ALL US Spyder OWNERS!

If yer gonna get naked and beat drums singing around the fire... I'm outta here...LOL No HATE here... just MAJOR disappointment in a motorcycle that is not what it should be. And disappointment in folks that berate other folks that have issues with their bikes, and try to belittle them and their issues. Glad y'all are doing GREAT with your bikes... if you want to live in a rose colored world... have fun.... just get some rose tinted glasses that have enough filter to not see what you don't want to see.

 

[hotglue]

Don't want to upset anyone here, but I really love my 2013....Best fun investment I have ever made.

That IS GREAT!!!!!

 

[Rick11Flor]

im happy for most

but i too have had more than my fare share of issues and i have posted most on here and i dont think i have posted any that have not needed to be posted..

that said i hope that one day those few that are having problems like me can see a solution before rather than later so we can all enjoy our bikes.

have fun and enjoy what you can of your bike tell then

i still ride mine daily, but still wonder if the brakes will go out or is it going to burst into flames... i try not to think about it too much, but i have too much invested to have it parked.
:bowdown:

 

[cuznjohn]

the next spyder meet

wow after reading all the posts the next BBQ or spyder fest is going to be like WrestleMania 2014 :roflblack::roflblack:

 

[Chupaca]

Never happen..!!

wow after reading all the posts the next BBQ or spyder fest is going to be like WrestleMania 2014 :roflblack::roflblack:

we're different people face to face..this is like texting..you can't see my face or hear my tone which often leads to the misinterpertations we see here. But seeing you all would be fun and less painful that wrestlemania..!! :roflblack::roflblack:

 

[ThreeWheels]

I have really seen enough 2013 owner bashing forum posts and telling people to ignore us. Obviously the 10,11,12, owners are the ones who are starting these threads. Have your bikes had melt downs that lead to them catching on fire? I have posted all the flaws BRP made in the 2013 and will do it one more time. Bad shocks, bad ball joints, moving components that obviously caused them to possibly burn up. Outlaw has proven the factory alignment to be flawed. Do I really need to go on. I am sick of people who do not own the 2013 telling us we are whiners. Yes the DPS was a big issue on earlier bikes but that was pretty much it. Yes they blow heat out the black hole just as all RTs have done but there is something more going on. BRP took a new frame and put an old engine in it that was never designed for it and then dumped the poor design on the dealer with an $6-8k discount ruining any chance we had at upgrading. I cannot take a $8-10k Loss in 3 months due to BRP's poor effort. Unless you own one you know nothing about what we are dealing with. I would really appreciate owners of previous model year just stop it. You are clueless about the the issues we have. If you want to know go trade yours in and helps us out. You can get $6-8k off what I paid and help us out. No takers? I cannot get any tech questions answered by calling BRP and that is just plain stupid the answer they give is "see the dealer" and we know there are maybe 4 or 5 in the whole country that even have a clue

I can see solutions to a lot of the problems but BRP will not pay for them or even call me as I have requested via PM to Steve. I worked for GM for 25 yrs and have never seen such a screwed up (even GM ) customer support system and lack of dealership oversight. So until BRP comes up with the correct solutions I think the non 2013 owners need to slack off and quit telling people to ignore the obvious problems we 2013 owners are going through. Maybe they will get fixed but if we shut up and say nothing they never will. There are solutions but who should pay for them the guy that just laid down $25 k or the builder of a defective product. I think the answer is obvious. The 2013 is BRP's Toyota run away car problem and I could care less if it takes them until June to trot out the 2014 they need to REALLY fix the 2013 first. That is just my humble opinion and yes I enjoy riding it but am paranoid about it thanks to the engineers poor performance in fixing the problems with tin foil insulation that is NOT the fix and we all know it. If BRP is trying to go bankrupt the 2013 is a good start.

Let the bashing begin I can give you a list of who will start that too if you like...and almost none are 2013 owners.:banghead:

Let me be the first to do the bashing then.
I understand your position. I know there are issues with the 2013 and I share some of the same experiences.
But frankly, as a forum member who has tried to help, I resent your accusations.
I REALLY resent your accusations.
Maybe it's your attitude that people are bashing.
I believe there is a setting on this forum where you can "ignore" a certain screenname.
I've never done this before, but I will with you.

 

[cuznjohn]

shame

it a shame that it is coming to a point where people will stare to ignore other because of their posts. some people handle pressure different than others, some need to vent. i personally hate when people bash me for my thought and and feelings but i have learned to deal with it, at one point on one of my posts people bashed me and started talking about ice cream and that upset me but than i calmed down and just spoke my piece and forgot about it. when a person is put in a situation where your back is up against a wall and your trapped with a product or problem you handle it the way you have always on life. so cut the guy a brake and if someone attacks you personally go for it but if it is a general statement w/o names just let water flow under the bridge

 

[MouthPiece]

I've had my 2013 RT-S longer than anyone in here, and I'm lovin it.

Chris

 

[Netminder]

There have been 3 fires the first was the demo bike in PA, the second was one week before mine in Canada and then there was mine. You can find this info out by reading the recall data at NHTSA website. While there have been 3 fires there have been many Spyders that had melted parts when they went in for the recall work. So you can count your blessings that you didn't have a problem but don't downplay those of us who have had them.

Well said!! Although I have no issues with my 2012RT. I think everyone has a right to gripe here, we have all definitely paid the price of admission to this show as many posters have said. I wish all 2013 owners with issues the best of luck and hope BRP finally comes up with a real fix instead of band aids.:thumbup:

 

[SNOOPY]

I think it is not nice to just post something irrelevant like this. Personally I think it is a little disrespectful to those that want to make a point and you just post something that has nothing to do with the subject. :lecturef_smilie:

I mean really... what if you wanted to post and explain and people posted crap like that? How would you take it?

I think I am done trying to help moderate this a little. Some seem to not care about others and pollute their posts.

I happen to run a few forums and posts like that would get moved to another post real fast! I don't delete peoples posts but when they go off topic and make a thread unreadable and unuseable by many, I move them to another post where guys can do things like this.

You guys are NOT IN ANY WAY... BEING CONSTRUCTIVE to this post and the OP that posted it! :lecturef_smilie:


Bob

:roflblack:

I help run a couple forums too, and post the same way!

If you can't have some fun going through life then what is the point?

If every word in this thread was serious it would get heated quick and people would be getting very upset and this forum would suffer from it.

You should thank me for my post, your welcome. :thumbup:

 

[SNOOPY]

I've had my 2013 RT-S longer than anyone in here, and I'm lovin it.

Chris

Awesome :thumbup:


Good thing you you don't live in a hot weather state. :roflblack:

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

I've had my 2013 RT-S longer than anyone in here, and I'm lovin it.

Chris

Clearly you got one of the good one's then... my wife is afraid to even ride with me on mine, she just don't trust it. How does one fix that lost trust? I have about 1200 miles on it now and I have no fear of it burning despite the hot plastic smell and having to put a towel on the front of the seat to stop the heat from coming out the cracks. It's winter here now and my season is over anyway so i'm hoping BRP gets fix this winter for next season.

 

[coz]

pitbull power sports

what is Len's opinion of the hot 2013 bikes? what does Lamont think? what does Scotty think about it? why can't the computer be re-programed to richen the fuel mixture sufficiently on these bikes?

 

[SNOOPY]

what is Len's opinion of the hot 2013 bikes? what does Lamont think? what does Scotty think about it? why can't the computer be re-programed to richen the fuel mixture sufficiently on these bikes?

As as some have stated, it's not really the engine running too hot, it's that the heat has nowhere to escape from under the plastic quick enough.

 

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: I've stayed off to the side on this one so far... :shocked:
Is everybody about done getting upset with one-another?
That's not how problems get solved...
We're all better than this.

Dave,
You've been pretty pro-active with your bike; that's what we need in here! :thumbup: Folks attempting to find ways to end the problem in a collaborative manner can't help but find some workable solutions.
I'll admit to growing tired of complaints; but I only grow tired of complaints that don't point in a direction that might offer up a solution.

(Off my soapbox...)

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

As as some have stated, it's not really the engine running too hot, it's that the heat has nowhere to escape from under the plastic quick enough.

I'm not sure that's it either, the panels and design is the same on all of the RT's and ST's if it was a matter the heat just not getting out then they would all have the issue, and most don't. I personally think it is an engine issue as some generate more heat in the exhaust that others, could be a mapping issue with the ECM. I have never seen my temp gauge above the half way mark so my engine is not hotter from a cooling standpoint. But it could be lean or the timing could be advanced too far?? These high tech computer engines have all of us with technical knowledge at a disadvantage, we can no longer change jets to richen an engine or move around a timing sensor to adjust timing, everything is controlled by the ECM and we are helpless. I know wrapping my exhaust pipes helped but won't know how much till it get hot out again.

 

[flamingobabe]

what is Len's opinion of the hot 2013 bikes? what does Lamont think? what does Scotty think about it? why can't the computer be re-programed to richen the fuel mixture sufficiently on these bikes?

EPA......but BRP is working on new mapping......I'll let Len, Lamont and Scotty answer for themselves

 

[Bob Denman]

Question:
Did you also wrap your fuel tank? Or wasn't that as much of an issue?
Glad to hear of workable solutions being tried! :thumbup:
I honestly think that we just need to find "the next step" in the process. nojoke

 

[SNOOPY]

I'm not sure that's it either, the panels and design is the same on all of the RT's and ST's if it was a matter the heat just not getting out then they would all have the issue, and most don't. I personally think it is an engine issue as some generate more heat in the exhaust that others, could be a mapping issue with the ECM. I have never seen my temp gauge above the half way mark so my engine is not hotter from a cooling standpoint. But it could be lean or the timing could be advanced too far?? These high tech computer engines have all of us with technical knowledge at a disadvantage, we can no longer change jets to richen an engine or move around a timing sensor to adjust timing, everything is controlled by the ECM and we are helpless. I know wrapping my exhaust pipes helped but won't know how much till it get hot out again.

This sounds a little contradictory to me? If it was running lean wouldn't your temp gauge also run hotter? Or do you believe the cooling system works so well it handles the heat...but the heat still shows up higher in the exhaust?

 

[SNOOPY]

Question:
Did you also wrap your fuel tank? Or wasn't that as much of an issue?
Glad to hear of workable solutions being tried! :thumbup:
I honestly think that we just need to find "the next step" in the process. nojoke

It would seem to me that if you wrapped the pipes that heat would then be greatly reduced from getting to the gas tank.:dontknow: