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I don't want to start a war but......
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BoilerAnimal
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Just like the car manufacturers, what they sell is functional...............but there's always something better somewhere.
Look at all of the performance cars. Even as advanced as the engineering may be, you can almost always find after market parts to enhance the performance to an even greater degree.
There is a point when a manufacturer is satisfied with the product they offer. It basically comes down to marketing and economics. The product meets the requirements to garner sales and as long as expectations of the seller are met nothing needs to be changed. Competition, declining sales or lawsuits are primarily the driving factors in changing the engineering specifications.
Look at all of the performance cars. Even as advanced as the engineering may be, you can almost always find after market parts to enhance the performance to an even greater degree.
There is a point when a manufacturer is satisfied with the product they offer. It basically comes down to marketing and economics. The product meets the requirements to garner sales and as long as expectations of the seller are met nothing needs to be changed. Competition, declining sales or lawsuits are primarily the driving factors in changing the engineering specifications.
cptjam
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Short answer
Cost. If the parts are good enough for the majority, that is fine. The folks who ride to the corner, do 2000 miles a year; the stock swaybar is fine. The 5% who ride long and hard, they upgrade. For the regular rider, these rock. As the experience level goes up, so does the demand. As the miles pile up, the difference becomes obvious. Grow with it!!
Cost. If the parts are good enough for the majority, that is fine. The folks who ride to the corner, do 2000 miles a year; the stock swaybar is fine. The 5% who ride long and hard, they upgrade. For the regular rider, these rock. As the experience level goes up, so does the demand. As the miles pile up, the difference becomes obvious. Grow with it!!
PaladinLV
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Jimboregon
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I have a question about the sway bars. What do they specifically improve? The stock bike has a tendency to wander a bit under hard cornering. Do the Baja Ron bars stiffen the suspension, or simply slow the steering response?
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monkeyboymorton
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Neither really, the bar helps stop 'roll' or lean as the suspension is loaded up in a turn. The suspension will be no stiffer in a straight line as the shocks and springs are the same.
Although they are commonly called 'sway' bars in the US they are more globally known as 'anti-roll' bars and that helps explain what they do. The anti roll bar connects the suspension on the two sides of the bike together so they can work together during turns. The suspension on the loaded side (left hand wheel when turning right) gets help from the unloaded side. One side is pushing down and the other pulling up, the anti roll bar sits in the middle helping resist the bike rolling over towards the outside of turns.
You will not notice any difference in the ride or steering (although you may not need to turn or correct as much when cornering) you'll just notice it corners flatter.
IMO the best thing you can change to improve the spyder. It's biggest drawback is that it tends to lean towards the outside of turns and can feel like it's trying to fall over. Upgraded sway bar removes a lot of this unpleasant sensation.
They are a PITA to fit, but that's another story........
Edit - Google 'anti-roll' bar for some far more scientific explanations than I can manage!!
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Peteoz
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Great Description, Monkeyboy.
This is the best explanation I have heard, Monkeyboy.......thanks. The feeling of tipping on cornering is quite disconcerting for me, so your explanation has just pushed me over the line. I'll place the order tomorrow.....I didn't think the F3s were that hard an install?
Pete
This is the best explanation I have heard, Monkeyboy.......thanks. The feeling of tipping on cornering is quite disconcerting for me, so your explanation has just pushed me over the line. I'll place the order tomorrow.....I didn't think the F3s were that hard an install?
Pete
deer30084
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Cptjam already answered. Cost. But I'll add to it. The Can Am Spyder is a good product as is. How much bling can you add to it? What do people do when they buy motorcycles? They personalize it and add all kinds of doodads like new pipes, grips, chrome covers, and the list goes on. I know; I did that. Look at all the used bikes at dealerships. Those were someone's dream machine at one time. So anyway, the aftermarketeers found something they can replace, convince others that it is better and make money off of it. Everyone can justify their expenditure. I ask myself, "Do I really need to keep up with the Joneses?" My answer is no, I don't.
Trbayth
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"Driver Footboards"
"Adjustable Passenger Backrest"
"Blue Ridge Windshield"
"Lamonster F3 LED Fog Light Kit"
"Easy Brackets"
"Saddlemen Express Crus'n Slant Saddlebags"
So how is Mr. Jones anyway?
deer30084
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This means war! Those are practical mods. I need the bags. I need extra lights. I need the backrest. I need the windshield. I bet that "squared away laser alignment, swaybar and links" are super duper.
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Bob Denman
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murphybrown
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I cannot answer that
Nor can anyone else. We can all theorize, speculation and get on our podium. BUT the only persons that can answer that is BRP....and good luck on that..:yikes:
Nor can anyone else. We can all theorize, speculation and get on our podium. BUT the only persons that can answer that is BRP....and good luck on that..:yikes:
Bob Denman
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I HOPE so... :thumbup:
oldguyinTX
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It was explained to me by my dealer that anytime BRP makes a change to any of the systems controlled by the computer - and the sway bar is one of them - they have to upgrade the Bosch software to the tune of $30 K for each upgrade, so they won't do it. They know that the BajaRon swaybar is better than the stock one, but they are staying with the stock one to cut costs. Of course, no savings are passed on to us.
Just making up numbers here. If BRP could build a $30k Spyder (their cost) with all the best accessories and performance goodies, and sell them at $40k retail, they probably would have. More than likely some bean counter and marketing guru decided that their focus group suggested they'd pay X for a Spyder, so they had to make one at no more than Y to have a profit margin. Which means they go with the low bid for things that "normal" riders don't have a feel for, like tires, sway bars, etc.
Why build a Ferrari and sell 10 units when they can build a Ford and sell 2000?
Why build a Ferrari and sell 10 units when they can build a Ford and sell 2000?
monkeyboymorton
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They aren't.....once you got the bike two feet in the air!! That's the fun part!! You need to be able to stand the new bar vertically under the bike for it to go in - that's the amount of clearance you need. I used some ramps with a wind-up section and a slope on my dad's drive to get the height. There are some threads on here showing the required height. Some jack up one side but I put both sides up for stability.
I also took off the foot/leg air guard things, made it easier to get at the bolts that go through the frame and the bar. Like a lot of things, could do the next one much quicker!!
As I've said on other threads, the standard RT bar is a good upgrade for the F3 one if you can find one in Oz. Must be MY2014 on. I'm using one of those (which was free to a good home) with the standard links and it's a big improvement. Ron bar plus solid links will be better still but cost more. And you know you'll get more import/GST charges!! (saw your other thread) We get done for VAT and duty here too when importing, hence mine came back in my suitcase following a trip to Florida, along with my upgraded rear shock.
You also need the plastic bushing if you use a standard RT bar as it's thicker, mine were thrown in by RT owner.
Chupaca
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And there you have it...
As you also see all over this site..."making it your own". Brp gives you a well built and good handling machine but you will always find someone who can make it a bit better. Again not for all but when you feel you need more it's good to know there is something out there to help you out....:thumbup:
As you also see all over this site..."making it your own". Brp gives you a well built and good handling machine but you will always find someone who can make it a bit better. Again not for all but when you feel you need more it's good to know there is something out there to help you out....:thumbup:
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