Hydroplaining - Is it an issue?

[Bob Denman]

Bombardier still owns Lear Jet but they don't own BRP. Bombardier sold off the recreational products division years ago.

I knew that somebody would know for sure... Thanks! :thumbup: :firstplace:

 

[Bob Denman]

Even jets will hydroplane, Given enough water and speed any vehicle will hydro, .

That's actually not hydroplaning; that's CRASHING!! :yikes:

 

[Paula]

hydroplaining

I experienced hydroplaining yesterday in the rain. Scared the s##t out of me. I felt like I was going to roll. It happened very fast. One thing I know for sure is I saw water collecting on road instead of running off... I think the front wheel started hydroplaining first? Back end wanted to whip around to the front? Luckily it straightened out...

 

[Roadster Renovations]

Reading through my manual I noticed strongly worded warnings concerning hydroplaining. They basically tell you to pull over if there's water on the road! I've ridden my two wheel bikes in all sorts of weather without a problem for years. Does the Spyder have an issue on wet roads, or is Can Am just making their lawyers happy? I haven't had a chance to ride in rain yet. Thanks!

Don't let the comments freak you out. The Spyder has more rubber on the ground than a two wheeler and can hydroplane. Many of us run car tires that work well in wet conditions. That helps a great deal. Make sure you have plenty of tread, slow down and watch conditions, and you should be fine. The bike is more stable 2 up in those conditions.

 

[Bfromla]

That's the lawyers basically playing "CYA"...
But...
You still have to slow down, avoid the DEEP water, and SLOW DOWN! :shocked:
(Did I mention slowing down?)
I would actually be a bit concerned about catching a deep-enough puddle with just one front wheel... I wonder if it'd upset the stability of the machine and make it want to pivot around the one front tire? :yikes:

Any vehicle in rain should drive SLOWER
:agree: CYA:lecturef_smilie: More so with how the tires wear in the center:dontknow: If you are close to replacing rear tire nanny will act sooner than you expect:sour:
Personally have had hydroplaning in heavy rain on soft blacktop Louisiana pitiful quality roads.
Slow sucked but got me home safe , & was right at limit of rear tire when I arrived (near bald)
I learned a lot on that trip & not the way I would advise to try.

 

[Professor]

When we were coming back from Spyderfest we drove in the rain for lots of miles with no problem. We were 2-up. I think the extra weight helps. Then recently I was on a trip with a friend 1-up and we drove in the rain for 200 miles. Highway seemed pretty good and I was going along about 65 mph. My rear tire has about 10k miles on it. I had the cruise set and the back tire broke loose and I heard the engine rev and my stomach was in the air.:yikes: Nanny did not kick in. I figured it would have really. I slowed down a little and ran without my cruise for a while. Then I felt the whole bike brake loose. All 3 wheels. My friend was following me and he said he seen the the spyder floating on the road swiveling. I slowed way down then. Scared me pretty good. It really makes you feel differently about riding in the rain. I think when I get a new tire it will be better and especially when riding 2-up.

NEVER use cruise control on wet roads. That's true on any vehicle - 2, 3, 4 or 18 wheels. I did it before I knew better and got away with it, but if you do hydroplane with the cruise on, things can get complicated really fast. Same is true on snow or patchy ice. You may have done it for years without a problem, but all it takes is once to become a life-altering experience.

 

[Brian Kay]

Don't let the comments freak you out. The Spyder has more rubber on the ground than a two wheeler and can hydroplane. Many of us run car tires that work well in wet conditions. That helps a great deal. Make sure you have plenty of tread, slow down and watch conditions, and you should be fine. The bike is more stable 2 up in those conditions.

:agree: 2-up with more weight over the back tire helps a bunch. Let the nanny do it's job, slow down and "take it easy"...you'll get just as wet going slower as you do going fast.

 

[Minister]

In my sixth decade now and I have ridden my Spyders SAFELY through rain storms that I would not have attempted on a two wheeler even as a teenager!

 

[Bob Denman]

Since this post started four years ago; I've now had the occasion to "look out through the earhole" of my helmet, while riding in what appears to be a trout stream! :yikes:
The bikes will get al sorts of "squirmy", if:
1. You're travelling fast enough
2. The water is deep enough
3. Your tires are worn enough
nojoke
Why?? There's lots of engineers and scientists who can explain it better; I feel that it's the relative light weight of the bikes, coupled with the width of the tires.
That's why I might just try a "205" out back; the next time I buy a tire.

 

[Peter Aawen]

The Missus & I recently did one of our favourite 3000 mile round trips, spending a week or so on the road. The last half of this trip from Melbourne to Adelaide along the coast & including The Great Ocean Road (which we've done a number of times now) is on a fairly old, largely 2 lane only, windy, & hilly coastal road which any time of the year has fantastic riding & even better scenery!! The Leaners just lurve it during the summertime, with thousands flocking to challenge the twisties & check out the scenery; but come wintertime (like it is here now Down Under) only the hardy dare take on the challenge due to the likelihood of rain & slippery roads!! :yikes:

We've ridden it numerous times before on a Leaner & in all sorts of conditions, vehicles, & weather, but have never had such a great ride thru there as this last ryde thru in the pouring rain on the Spyder!! Even in the wet, once you've got real tires fitted instead of the Kenda crap & you are running your tires at the right pressures, the Spyder sticks to the road like glue & makes carving this route just fantastic!! This last trip saw the rain start just as we left the Ferry at Queenscliffe, and it rained for the next 3 days & over the next 1000 miles, pouring while we were travelling what is arguably the twistiest long section of Ocean Highway we have in Australia, but the Spyder made it a bloody wonderful trip!! We were able to ride comfortably along all the time, most of it pretty near the speed limit (ranging from 40-70mph) without the slightest concern despite the appalling weather & supposedly slippery roads, passed many Leaners gingerly making their way along the edge of the road at about 25mph (& quite a few cars travelling even slower) without the slightest issue, and basically not having any issues at all except for how long we'd hafta wait for our 2 wheel companions to catch up at our next stop or our evening accommodation!! opcorn:

NO hydro-planing at all, despite lots of rain, water over the road, and all the other road users, cages & 2 wheelers both, having lotsa problems & our fellow travellers complaining about their numerous slides & hydro-planing incidents, yet we didn't even get close to one incident!!! These Spyders are simply bloody fantastic at the way they stick to the road (once you've tossed the crappy OE tires anyway!) and as a result of their traction & stability under all conditions, including some pretty adverse weather, they've made all our riding waaaayyy more enjoyable! :yes::clap::2thumbs:

So are we Worried about wet weather riding? NO WAY!! Sure, we slow down a bit when the rain gets going, but the Spyder is far more predictable & sure-footed than any Leaner & even many cages! Ride More, Worry Less!! :thumbup:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

205 VS. 225

Since this post started four years ago; I've now had the occasion to "look out through the earhole" of my helmet, while riding in what appears to be a trout stream! :yikes:
The bikes will get al sorts of "squirmy", if:
1. You're travelling fast enough
2. The water is deep enough
3. Your tires are worn enough
nojoke
Why?? There's lots of engineers and scientists who can explain it better; I feel that it's the relative light weight of the bikes, coupled with the width of the tires.
That's why I might just try a "205" out back; the next time I buy a tire.

.... Bob, to put this in perspective ..... if you were to Hydroplane at 60 mph with a 225 rear tire --- with a 205 you can go 62 mph .................But either way " Miss Nanny " will correct it when it happens ..................... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Bob Denman]

.... Bob, to put this in perspective ..... if you were to Hydroplane at 60 mph with a 225 rear tire --- with a 205 you can go 62 mph .................But either way " Miss Nanny " will correct it when it happens ..................... Mike :thumbup:

I know that she's lurking... I'd just rather not rely on her...

 

[ARtraveler]

An older thread (2012) but good for an update.

Recipe for YIKES: Drive through standing water over an inch deep at 55 plus--and you are going to hydroplane big time. Ask me how I know? Happened to me twice before I figured it out. PS. There is such a warning in the owners manual--but who reads that? :roflblack:

Alaska allows studded snow tires. Result--deep grooves in the pavement where the tires go. During rainy season, the grooves can fill with standing water. Hit these at speed with :ani29: and you are going for a ride.

The nanny does kick in, but your asking for it when other traffic is in next lanes and moving at 70 plus mph. :yikes:

 

[Gunkandpudge]

HYDROPLAINING

I've always let the Spyder correct itself. Between traction control and vehicle stability control I've never had a problem. Spent three hours in hard rain today pulling my 622. Hit a couple of deep water pockets about 5 yards long. Yes felt the Spyder begin to yaw but just as fast the computer system took over. Not sure if it was traction control or the other system that took, I don't care, over but it worked just as its worked for me during the past 6 years. My speed was 45-60 mph on two lane roads today with tight turns. Spyder did everything I asked it to do.

 

[DC1]

The rear is the culprit for me...

I have hydroplaned probably 25 times in 16,000+ miles....The factory rear, The Kumho Ecsta, and now the RT-43 also.... I have never had the front go sideways..But that rear will turn loose and float out to the side easy....I also believe it is a combination of wide contact patch, light weight, and some redirection of water from the front tires to the center....I have hydroplaned at 30 mph with a tire that had about 1/3 tread left (Kumho Ecsta).

I believe it is the nature of a Spyder...I have ridden many thousands of miles on 2 wheels with no hydroplane issues, lost traction on a oily slick road yes but floating a tire-never....Not a complaint mind you, just a real life observation.....And it would not have changed any decisions to buy one had I known it before hand...Just something to be aware of...

 

[ARtraveler]

A known issue and it is addressed in the owners manual. :yes:

 

[SpyderAnn01]

In light rain or on roads that have good drainage the Spyder is awesome and you should be able to travel safely at posted speeds. In heavy rain or on roads with inadequate drainage you need to slow way down or you will hydroplane. And as someone else posted never use your cruise control on wet roads.

 

[den1953]

Oil & Antifreeze etc.

I wonder if the back tire is encountering the oil/antifreeze slick in the center of the lane that 2 wheel motorcycles try to avoid. I know this is mostly a problem when rain begins and not related to hydroplaning but I could see that being a problem for the rear traction on a Spyder.

 

[Bob Denman]

It's FAR less of an issue for Spyders, than it is for the "leaners"... nojoke