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How wasteful the older generation has been
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wyliec
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I'm not saying you are right or wrong; but, for every source that may back up what you said, there is another source that will say the opposite. And, this is for any subject, not just life expectancy.
So, who do you believe?
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Firefly
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Well-- many are gonna disagree with you--- the CDC and the CRS both clearly show we are living longer. They also show stats that eliminate the 'zero baby' theory:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...-Zl6RIRGnPpz3tcFQ&sig2=DoXVXrugIfk0JKr7rgC3Dg
http://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/news/20080611/life-expectancy-reaches-new-record
http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/2009/r090819.htm
bjt
Very Helpful Member
Those babies who were dying and counting as 0 years are now living. To me, that right there says that we are living longer, unless you don't count a baby as a person.
DragonSpyder
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Let's not forget about the pollution in our lakes, rivers and streams. This has improved dramatically since the 60's and 70's thanks to legislation like the clean water act.
Unfortunately most of these improvements are in the US and not world-wide. 70% of the rivers in China are polluted and unsuitable for drinking or even bathing.
Unfortunately most of these improvements are in the US and not world-wide. 70% of the rivers in China are polluted and unsuitable for drinking or even bathing.
bone crusher
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bone crusher
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This is a great discussion, but facts are facts...these are not readily manipulated...this is from one of my powerpoints...I have tons of slides on life expectancy, causes of death, et...although extrinsic factors have decreased, we're dying in droves from cancer, heart disease, and other issues....don't think we're as healthy as you're told...our society isn't all that...and we spend more than anyone on healthcare...goes to show that better healthcare does NOT guarantee longer lives...do you guys want that info too? My slides are from one of my teaching businesses...I can't post too many as they are copyrighted...please remember that this slide cannot be copied and used elsewhere (no permission for that)...thank you...
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wyliec
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This is a great discussion, but facts are facts...these are not readily manipulated...this is from one of my powerpoints...I have tons of slides on life expectancy, causes of death, et...although extrinsic factors have decreased, we're dying in droves from cancer, heart disease, and other issues....don't think we're as healthy as you're told...our society isn't all that...and we spend more than anyone on healthcare...goes to show that better healthcare does NOT guarantee longer lives...do you guys want that info too? My slides are from one of my teaching businesses...I can't post too many as they are copyrighted...please remember that this slide cannot be copied and used elsewhere (no permission for that)...thank you...
Lower right hand corner of your chart- I think there is an error.
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
You're right on...'live'...and that doctorate I have means what? Fixed now...
Actually, that part of my slide was written by an assistant...so, I'm saved on this one...my problem was not editing it closely enough...typical...argh!
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wyliec
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Firefly
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This is a great discussion, but facts are facts...these are not readily manipulated...this is from one of my powerpoints...I have tons of slides on life expectancy, causes of death, et...although extrinsic factors have decreased, we're dying in droves from cancer, heart disease, and other issues....don't think we're as healthy as you're told...our society isn't all that...and we spend more than anyone on healthcare...goes to show that better healthcare does NOT guarantee longer lives...do you guys want that info too? My slides are from one of my teaching businesses...I can't post too many as they are copyrighted...please remember that this slide cannot be copied and used elsewhere (no permission for that)...thank you...
Sorry- but I'm not buying it. How on earth could such data from 1776 even exist? So you really think that 26% of Americans lived past age 85 in the year 1776???? I find that highly improbable. Back then the common flu often meant death. During the revolutionary and civil wars most died from diarrhea - not being shot by the enemy.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.....
bone crusher
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If there are compiled data, you can't just dismiss it because you don't like the source...
You want to believe that our great healthcare system here is saving lives so you'll believe it no matter what I throw your way...I have another chart that shows money spent on healthcare per person in each country...then all you have to do is look at the life expectancy chart for the world...it's pretty clear to see that we don't do so well...haven't you taken notice of the extreme death rates in the US due to heart disease, stroke, cancer, etc....? These problems are far more prevalent than they were 100+ years ago...and it wasn't because we simply couldn't tell if someone had cancer...we're a much sicker society now...
Medicine is mostly great for acute problems...
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
Hardly! I work too much...all that stress takes a toll as we age!
bjt
Very Helpful Member
I agree that the US is below most if not all other industrialized countries in healthcare and lifespan. However, your chart looks like it collected 1776 data from one small area or town and the USAToday data is for our nation. I'm sure we could find a single city in the US that has great life expectancy numbers. The problem with using numbers like this is that they can be manipulated to say just about anything. I still believe that we have greater numbers of people having years added onto their lives due to the advances in medicine.
dltang
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Bone Crusher, you say if we don't like your data or want to believe it, that is our choice. My question is this, where did your data come from. As everyone here knows, numbers of any type and data of any type can be manipulated to express what you want the viewer to see. Here is the link from the US department of Health and Human Services. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus10.pdf#022 It has pages of data and is broken down in various ways. It is a lot of reading so here is a quick screen shot of the main page:
What it boils down to for me though is this, I posted this thread originally for entertainment value. It turned into something more. Regardless of how long I live, I do my best to take care of our environment. I am not perfect. Also, if I die today, I know where I am going, my life expectancy is for eternity.
What it boils down to for me though is this, I posted this thread originally for entertainment value. It turned into something more. Regardless of how long I live, I do my best to take care of our environment. I am not perfect. Also, if I die today, I know where I am going, my life expectancy is for eternity.
IWN2RYD
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Bone Crusher, you say if we don't like your data or want to believe it, that is our choice. My question is this, where did your data come from. As everyone here knows, numbers of any type and data of any type can be manipulated to express what you want the viewer to see. Here is the link from the US department of Health and Human Services. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus10.pdf#022 It has pages of data and is broken down in various ways. It is a lot of reading so here is a quick screen shot of the main page:
What it boils down to for me though is this, I posted this thread originally for entertainment value. It turned into something more. Regardless of how long I live, I do my best to take care of our environment. I am not perfect. Also, if I die today, I know where I am going, my life expectancy is for eternity.
Bingo....
bone crusher
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Bone Crusher, you say if we don't like your data or want to believe it, that is our choice. My question is this, where did your data come from. As everyone here knows, numbers of any type and data of any type can be manipulated to express what you want the viewer to see. Here is the link from the US department of Health and Human Services. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus10.pdf#022 It has pages of data and is broken down in various ways. It is a lot of reading so here is a quick screen shot of the main page:
What it boils down to for me though is this, I posted this thread originally for entertainment value. It turned into something more. Regardless of how long I live, I do my best to take care of our environment. I am not perfect. Also, if I die today, I know where I am going, my life expectancy is for eternity.
Points well taken...will move on...
Pandy
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From Green to...
So, we went from Green to actuary tables? Referencing the original post about Facebook ,remember, a page or so back? That pretty much summed up my childhood. Gosh, I didn't know we had it so primitive. We got here just the same and reproduced as well. Ah well, that's another topic.:joke:
Patrick
So, we went from Green to actuary tables? Referencing the original post about Facebook ,remember, a page or so back? That pretty much summed up my childhood. Gosh, I didn't know we had it so primitive. We got here just the same and reproduced as well. Ah well, that's another topic.:joke:
Patrick
spyder3
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Deregulation
Not sure if this helps anyone, but if you live in MD, NJ, CT, PA, NY or Illinois, the supply portion of your electric bill can now be shopped for the best deal. Worth a read IMO. Save a few bucks and help the environment at the same time(20% renewable energy). Nothing changes on who delivers your energy, you just get to choose who you buy it from. After going through this i think its the first time i actually understand my electric bill.:roflblack:
http://viridian.com/greenshift/
Not sure if this helps anyone, but if you live in MD, NJ, CT, PA, NY or Illinois, the supply portion of your electric bill can now be shopped for the best deal. Worth a read IMO. Save a few bucks and help the environment at the same time(20% renewable energy). Nothing changes on who delivers your energy, you just get to choose who you buy it from. After going through this i think its the first time i actually understand my electric bill.:roflblack:
http://viridian.com/greenshift/
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Ok, back to the humorous side! I have always wondered who buried a plastic bag 300 years ago so we could know how long it will last. Oh, did someone here say that plastic has only been around for 80 years?
I think I will go out and bury one right now and in 300 years I will know for sure.
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I think I will go out and bury one right now and in 300 years I will know for sure.
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