Here's The Real Dirt On Air Filters

[Magic Man]

Until I see comprehensive DYNO testing :dontknown the competing filters my next filter will be a stock one?:hun:

The GREEN FILTER line had to go through independent lab tests to be approved for FORD, Chrysler, B&S as well to prove they met their requirements. I will see if Jason can get me these?

Also as we speak here Two Bros is using one of the new NMN GREEN FILTERS for the the RT to write one of the programs for the new RT Pro Juice Box unit they are making ,and they will be making it one of the pre-programed settingscontained in that unit along with ones for their pipe.

Once Two Bros is done with their programing and testing I will see if they will let me have a copy of the Dyno reports for their pipe and Pro series Juice Box with and without the GREEN FILTER filter.

I am not sure just what HP increase an RS or RT will show with these filters, but a HP increase from this kind of filter has been Dyno PROVEN time and time again in real world Dyno test on so many different autos, bike, trucks ATVs that there is no reason to doubt that the engine in a Spyder will not respond the same as all these other engines have over the years.

In todays "sue happy" world, companies like K&N and GREEN FILTER would have been called out on this long ago if they could not back the claims they have made throughout the years regarding the HP claims made on other internal combustion motors.

There is a reason MOPAR uses these for it's factory high performance filters and that the HUGE money Saleen equiped FORDS use these filters as well. When a large part of the price of a 67K plus Saleen Mustang or truck is because of the motor, the last thing they are going to do is use a filter that makes the motor wear faster or reduce it's power putput.

Because the Spyder is somewhat different in it's VSS system and reverse trike design, it has not been Dyno tested as quickly as many other bikes/autos/ATVs have been. So right now these test results are not so easy to come by.

But there is no reason to doubt that 990 series ROTAX motor in a Spyder would respond any different that any other internal combustion engine does when using this type of high flow filter.

There is no filter that will make a Spyder into a top fuel drag bike, but all around performance is not just about top HP numbers. I have been doing this on bikes now for 39 years, and there is no doubt in my mind that the RS Spyders and the RT have much improved responce and all around performance when one of these filters is used.

But, if you like paper filters by all means keep using them. Your using or not using them is a personal choice you are free to make, and one I'm sure seems to make sense to you to do so. :thumbup:

MM

 

[CGJ]

So again you keep wanting to say that all gauze filters are the same as a K&N just because they are of the mesh design.

Just because the K&N filters you used in the past that have a more open mesh performed one way, does not mean all mesh filters will be the same. Why some of the ones they are selling from China for the street racer cars are even worse yet as they use way too open of gauze mesh.

In everything there will be products that may seem alike, some better some worse. To say just because they may look alike they are the same is a big mistake.

Look at the Spyder copies from China from a company called Energy. They look like a Spyder first glance for sure, but the differance could not be greater once you really examine the facts.

MM

Doesn't have to be K&N. Can be Green Filter, Brown Filter, Pink Filter. An oiled foam filter will keep more dirt out then any other gauze filter period. I know this from real world testing not some manufacturer claim. I'm not saying Green Filter is not any good and should be fine for where the Spyder is ridden. For it to be, the be all end all filter, not so sure.

 

[Magic Man]

Doesn't have to be K&N. Can be Green Filter, Brown Filter, Pink Filter. An oiled foam filter will keep more dirt out then any other gauze filter period. I know this from real world testing not some manufacturer claim. I'm not saying Green Filter is not any good and should be fine for where the Spyder is ridden. For it to be, the be all end all filter, not so sure.

... and now that you mention it?

Just who are you that we should take your word on this? :dontknow:

Where is your "independent testing" backing your claims and showing this? :gaah:

So, I see your "real world" testing counts to prove your point but nobody elses does. :shocked:

After 39 years of doing this in the motorcycle industry and holding an ASE Master Tech rating and my Certification from AMI (now Wyo Tech) that I know what I am talking about. Why is it we should all take just your word on this?

Like it or not, I am a somebody in the motorcycle world and have the credentials to back that I know what I am talking about. So, tell me why should somebody take the word of a guy with 8 posts over mine.

With clear proof that major companies like Ford, Chrysler and B&S all also but their faith in these fliters as well. These are major players and would not be using these filters because they don't work.

Oh wait, and please don't even go there that it's because "your not selling anything ether." Because although we sell many things here at ESI anyone who has ever dealt with our company can tell you "our integrity" is not one of the things ever for sale.

Especially for a $70 filter sale.

Show us your data. Or leave it to it's your personal choice on this topic.

But, without data yourself proving this, don't come on here like your some sort of expert on air filters and that your word is the only word to be trusted or believed on this topic just because you don't sell something.

I did my research before I spoke to be sure I had the facts straight, now show us yours.

MM

 

[ataDude]

... and now that you mention it?

Just who are you that we should take your word on this? ...

Hmmm... the last person from Cornwall in here was banned due to dual identities.

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[boborgera]

Filters what filters, I use 93 octane don't need any stinking filters. :joke:
Also i only use Clean New Jersey air, it's the best my tax money can buy!!

 

[Magic Man]

Filters what filters, I use 93 octane don't need any stinking filters. :joke:
Also i only use Clean New Jersey air, it's the best my tax money can buy!!

:2thumbs::2thumbs::2thumbs: :roflblack:

Being from NY I feel your pain.

MM

 

[CGJ]

... and now that you mention it?

Just who are you that we should take your word on this? :dontknow:

Where is your "independent testing" backing your claims and showing this? :gaah:

So, I see your "real world" testing counts to prove your point but nobody elses does. :shocked:

After 39 years of doing this in the motorcycle industry and holding an ASE Master Tech rating and my Certification from AMI (now Wyo Tech) that I know what I am talking about. Why is it we should all take just your word on this?

Like it or not, I am a somebody in the motorcycle world and have the credentials to back that I know what I am talking about. So, tell me why should somebody take the word of a guy with 8 posts over mine.

With clear proof that major companies like Ford, Chrysler and B&S all also but their faith in these fliters as well. These are major players and would not be using these filters because they don't work.

Oh wait, and please don't even go there that it's because "your not selling anything ether." Because although we sell many things here at ESI anyone who has ever dealt with our company can tell you "our integrity" is not one of the things ever for sale.

Especially for a $70 filter sale.

Show us your data. Or leave it to it's your personal choice on this topic.

But, without data yourself proving this, don't come on here like your some sort of expert on air filters and that your word is the only word to be trusted or believed on this topic just because you don't sell something.

I did my research before I spoke to be sure I had the facts straight, now show us yours.

MM

Don't have to take my word on it. Just go read every powersport forum and see what filters they use for their toys.

 

[CGJ]

Hmmm... the last person from Cornwall in here was banned due to dual identities.

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You're right. Got banned for telling the truth. Now I'm back and have a Spyder.

So was i right about BRP taking care of the customer? lol

 

[spyryder]

opcorn:

 

[Magic Man]

Don't have to take my word on it. Just go read every powersport forum and see what filters they use for their toys.

So I see you don't have any proof. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

OK come back when you do.

MM

 

[NewRider]

Thank you, MM, for some very useful info. I've been debating switching to a Green Filter-or equivalent, for my '09 SE5. The jury is still out, but the more info to make my decision, the better.:2thumbs:

 

[bone crusher]

Thank you, MM, for some very useful info. I've been debating switching to a Green Filter-or equivalent, for my '09 SE5. The jury is still out, but the more info to make my decision, the better.:2thumbs:

NewRider,

Take it from someone not vested in the product, who is just an 'end user'...me...! The green filter will make a significant change...I added this along with the Juicebox and the bike is much faster than it was stock...I'm still tweaking the numbers, but it's a considerable change...also have a hindle...love that too.

Get the green filter...it's one of the cheaper mods you can get and it's worth every penny...plus, you never have to replace it, so right there it's worth the expense...

 

[happyspyder2039]

So I Have a ? for u magic man.
I have been considering the green or kn filters. Dose the green cause more noise while riding? I am not into the harley thing. Also I have stock exhaust- would i need the juce box to work with. THXS

 

[Magic Man]

So I Have a ? for u magic man.
I have been considering the green or kn filters. Dose the green cause more noise while riding? I am not into the harley thing. Also I have stock exhaust- would i need the juce box to work with. THXS

The extra intake drone from a more open filter is nowhere near the extra noise say an aftermarket exhaust makes like the BRP Hindle. So although you can hear a change with a more free flowinf filter it is nothing to be concerned about.

Most bikes (Spyders too ) will need extra fuel added when both an exhaust and filter are used together.

However, many times when only one is being changed alone (just exhaust or filter) many times there is still enough adjustablity in the stock fuel map to allow for this change.

Although each rider and bike is different, I would say there is a very good chance that with just a filter alone you may find you do not need to add an additional fuel management system.

MM

 

[NancysToy]

The extra intake drone from a more open filter is nowhere near the extra noise say an aftermarket exhaust makes like the BRP Hindle. So although you can hear a change with a more free flowinf filter it is nothing to be concerned about.

Most bikes (Spyders too ) will need extra fuel added when both an exhaust and filter are used together.

However, many times when only one is being changed alone (just exhaust or filter) many times there is still enough adjustablity in the stock fuel map to allow for this change.

Although each rider and bike is different, I would say there is a very good chance that with just a filter alone you may find you do not need to add an additional fuel management system.

MM

Nancy has been running a Green Filter since they came out...stock exhaust. No problems whatsoever! It may or may not run better...my butt dyno is broken. I like it because if you do get oil in the airbox, it will not impede this filter.

 

[Magic Man]

because if you do get oil in the airbox, it will not impede this filter.

:agree::agree::agree:

MM

 

[spyryder]

Nancy has been running a Green Filter since they came out...stock exhaust. No problems whatsoever! It may or may not run better...my butt dyno is broken. I like it because if you do get oil in the airbox, it will not impede this filter.

THAT'S what that oil in the airbox is for! It's an automatic air filter oiler.

 

[NancysToy]

THAT'S what that oil in the airbox is for! It's an automatic air filter oiler.

Only if you have replaced the paper filter. :roflblack:

 

[SpyderWolf]

I may be switching to a Green Filter soon, and am also awaiting the release of the Juice Box Pro to go along with it. I am currently running the K&N filter on my Spyder, as I wanted to give it a try and see how it worked with the Hindle.

To me, my Spyder is running perfectly fine. However, when Kurt hooked it up to BUDS, after my track incident in Daytona, he noticed there was some hesitation when he would crack the throttle on it. He kept looking at it funny, like he was trying to figure out what was different about it. I then informed him that I had the K&N filter in there and he said that explained everything. He said the K&N was less restrictive than the stock filter so the slight hesitation was from that.

What I am wondering is does the Green Filter have this same hesitation?

I know there is probably only one way for me to find out, and that will be a head to head comparison. Most likely I will be doing that in the not too distant future.

Also, I am assuming the new Juice Box Pro will work for the 2009 Spyders and not just the new ones. Is that a good assumption?

Thanks for all of the info Evan. :thumbup:

 

[Lamonster]

To me, my Spyder is running perfectly fine. However, when Kurt hooked it up to BUDS, after my track incident in Daytona, he noticed there was some hesitation when he would crack the throttle on it. He kept looking at it funny, like he was trying to figure out what was different about it. I then informed him that I had the K&N filter in there and he said that explained everything. He said the K&N was less restrictive than the stock filter so the slight hesitation was from that.

What I am wondering is does the Green Filter have this same hesitation?

Rule of thumb for mods like this is you can change one or the other ( pipe or air filter) without needing fuel management. If you change both like you have you need to adjust the fuel accordingly. K&N or Green Filter is going to give you the same result, more air with a free flowing pipe causes a lean condition in most cases.