Helmet - No comment needed.

[yamahog]

Careful next you will have to wear a helmet and full gear in your car, people still get ejected from there cars and a helmet would probably save them, o and a fire suit just in case it catches fire LOL, make your own choice or let the government make all your choices. just saying :chat:

 

[jerpinoy]

When my cousin had his accident 10 years ago. He got a catastrophic brain impairment and his medical bills and his rehabilitation cost around $1.5 million. Also, now he can't work and if it wasn't for his insurance they would probably be on welfare.

Every insured people help the insurance company to pay the cost.

 

[Bob Denman]

Boy you sure know how to get a post moving along Bob!!!:joke:

:shocked: We wouldn't want things getting boring around here; would we??

 

[Netminder]

:shocked: We wouldn't want things getting boring around here; would we??

:agree:opcorn:opcorn:

 

[Dan_Ashley]

I disagree very much. It is time for the goverment to stay out of everybody affairs. If you do like something, go/buy somplace else. Yes, I am very set on things like this. I ATTAAt my self, but if you want to do something else, fine. Every one of these " wonderful control your life laws" by the goverment or anybody else has bad things attached. State Farm had a ban on "Sport bikes" a few years ago. One of the sport bikes was a 250 cc street bike. Ruger insurance said, if you rode a motorcycle, you would not be covered in a crash, even if the other person was at fault, but did not have insurance. HD was in trouble over money, so the goverment passed a huge tarriff on imported motorcycles, almost a 40 % tax. Some states (CA?) & the feds want to pass a law stating the muffler and exhaust system must have a a visible EPA mark on them or a thousand dollar fine. Lookat the seat belt/airbag warning sticker, er, screen printed on label in your car. The goverment required a label stating this. The "Big Brother" decided that, since people were removing the labels after buy and having a vehicle for a while, removed them. "Painted on now.
Okay, I will quit, if I have not been kicked off already. Sorry LaMonster

I agree with you 100%. I just don't want to pay for people making problems for themselves. If the are willing to pay for the results of their own behavior, then I hope the enjoy themselves. This goes for Sky diving, motorcycling without gear, using drugs, smoking....just don't want them to include me in asking for money or expecting me to pay. The way I wish to spend my money should not be up to others--whether they be risk takers or government bureaucrats.

 

[ARtraveler]

When my cousin had his accident 10 years ago. He got a catastrophic brain impairment and his medical bills and his rehabilitation cost around $1.5 million. Also, now he can't work and if it wasn't for his insurance they would probably be on welfare.

Likewise, my younger brother and his maiden voyage on a new HD in Minneapolis. Fifteen years ago. It started with a Life Flight ride, and he has not worked since.

 

[ARtraveler]

I saw a Hells Angel in full regalia yesterday on his HD. Not wearing a helmet. :thumbup:

 

[crazyspyder]

I dont get it... if you like your coffee black I am not gonna try to convince you otherwise. I like to have my freedom of choice for as long as I can have it.....SHEEP among
wolves with out it.:chat: furthermore as a taxpayer in a high bracket I can thick of many things I am paying thru the nose in taxes that I would not want to pay.
so a person involved in an accident and having to pay for some or all of their medical is the least of my worry. so much gov. waste dont even know where to start! :banghead:

 

[Bob Ledford]

I was 12 years old and started wearing a Bell helmet when riding with my brother who also wore a helmet. The way my brother put it was you have just one head and brain and wearing a helmet can save your life. My brother had an accident with a bicyclist, who cut in front of him and the helmet saved his life. When I started riding on my own, I always wore a helmet and still do today. I see many with helmets attached to their bikes and wonder if they made it home safely.

Those older Bell Helmets were sure heavy compared to the helmets of today. I had one that was "circuit or Caterpillar yellow" Brightest one in Daytona Beach in the early sixties ....nl

 

[Oldmanzues]

While reading thru all again tonght. I get the feeling that a some people want other people who engage in a "high risk" activity to pay all their own medical bills if they are hurt. The question becomes, who decides what is "high risk' for others.

I will sugest a few "high risk" , Baseball has lot of injuries, the same with Football, riding a pedal bike, driving a car has people getting hurt or killed.

Before I retired from the USAF, my commander was "ranting" ( at commanders acall)about all the injuries received by the Sq members. then looked at me and another SGt and said, I do not want to hear anything from you two. He apoligized a few minutes later to everybody. He said, higher ups are all over me about the number of hurt pople (instructors at a tech school), but most of these injuries are from baseball, running, sking and even just falling down. SMSGT Lindsey is A avid dirt rider/racer. TSGT (and I can not remember his name right now) is a bull rider contesten at Redeos
So what is "high risk"?
Oldmanzues

 

[reverendg]

While reading thru all again tonght. I get the feeling that a some people want other people who engage in a "high risk" activity to pay all their own medical bills if they are hurt. The question becomes, who decides what is "high risk' for others.

I will sugest a few "high risk" , Baseball has lot of injuries, the same with Football, riding a pedal bike, driving a car has people getting hurt or killed.

Before I retired from the USAF, my commander was "ranting" about all the injuries received by the Sq members. then looked at me and another SGt and said, I do not want to hear anything from you two. He apoligized a few minutes later to everybody. He said, higher ups are all over me about the number of hurt pople (instructors at a tech school), but most of these injuries are from baseball, running, sking and even just falling down. SMSGT Lindsey is A avid dirt rider/racer. TSGT (and I can not remember his name right now) is a bull rider contesten at Redeos
So what is "high risk"?
Oldmanzues

A lot of people engaging in "high risk" behavior, like motorcycling, think it is ok so long as you do it only to the degree that they feel is "safe enough"? Amazing how some know how much risk is OK for everybody else. Then they turn to "I would have to pay for it" to justify? Shouldn't they be driving Volvo sedans, under the speed limit, with the radio removed to avoid distractions, etc...? Then again, even a Volvo can have a bad day at the hands of a semi.

 

[crazyspyder]

can it happen

I have wondered if in the near future some clown bureaucrat gona submit a bill to mandate seat belts on a motorcycle :roflblack::roflblack::dontknow::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[Oilslick1234]

No helmet

It only takes 12 pounds of impact pressure to cause a serious brain injury. Your head hits the pavement harder than that at any speed, even just falling down a couple of stairs. Some people survive the fall, most don't.

 

[reverendg]

It only takes 12 pounds of impact pressure to cause a serious brain injury. Your head hits the pavement harder than that at any speed, even just falling down a couple of stairs. Some people survive the fall, most don't.

So federally mandated helmet wear in any structure with more than a single story, and all playground equipnent?

 

[Oldmanzues]

I have wondered if in the near future some clown bureaucrat gona submit a bill to mandate seat belts on a motorcycle :roflblack::roflblack::dontknow::roflblack::roflblack:

Already been done, several years ago. Joan Claybrook, forget which agency, EPA, DOT or ???, wanted safety belt on all motorcycles. This was so you would not be ejected from the motorcycle. They also decided rear wheel steering was beter then front wheel steering. As I remember (could be wrong), it would be safer to have the handlebars behind you in a crash. AMA and others raised a stink on each count. It was not a good thing to be trapped under a sliding motorcycle, among other reasons. The agency finally admited they did not anybody who could ride the rear wheel steering motorcycle, but it was still a good idea. It went to rest, but it might be back.
the same bunch wanted manditory helmet and other gear laws passed.They decided that it was not possible on federal level, so they made it a law that if the states did not pass a helmet law, they would reduce the highway funds for that state. This scheme is in place on several other ideas.

Oldmanzues

 

[Bob Denman]

Politicians... :gaah:

 

[jcthorne]

Your appeals to logic are false. The issue is not one of making anyone pay, the issue is you don't get to dictate my behavior. You can try, but good luck with that.
Choice of wearing a helmet or not....mine. Go ahead make me. My insurer, employer, government, even God, cannot make it happen.
Your argument is the poorly constructed one, you just are so caught up in trying to force people to do things your way, that you can't see how foolish you are.
There was no appeal to religion, just the reality that you missed, that you cannot play God, you are way under qualified.

I am sorry if that feeling of being powerless over others is really grinding away at you. Get used to it.

The fallacy in your argument is that you seem to think it is your choice. It is not.

So long as hospitals are required to treat first and establish payment liability later, knowing that the tax base covers all indigent care, it is not your choice. It has nothing to do with insurance. As long as everyone pays for the consequences, all should wear the proper safety gear. Decide not to wear the gear is deciding not to ride. Do so and loose your license to those privileges.

Again, as long as the consequences are borne by the group, the decision belongs to the group. At the moment the group (in Texas) has voted to allow you to do as you please. It was a close vote and has changed sides several times over history. I hope it will again.

 

[Bob Denman]

FOR THE RECORD...
and to be truthful
I dislike helmet laws.

You just can't legislate, good common sense! :gaah: :banghead:

 

[jcthorne]

Even in Texas, manu employers DO require helmets

And it is enforceable. As a major safety violation, one infraction can mean the end of a career. Many well known companies have the policy. Mine included. Seldom enforced off company or client property but can be.

 

[crazyspyder]

another future vision

It only takes 12 pounds of impact pressure to cause a serious brain injury. Your head hits the pavement harder than that at any speed, even just falling down a couple of stairs. Some people survive the fall, most don't.

whoa this gave me another thought ..:2excited:..a society where every one wears a helmet through out their daily day to day duties..:dontknow: maybe wear them to bed as well! just funning here, do not take me serious !

on a serious note I found this >Hawk H-6607 Glossy Black Dual-Visor Modular Motorcycle Helmet with Bluetooth for 190.00 <> could get it for winter and rainy days. MAYBE :cheers: