Have you had an ECU Flash? How long did it take? Any good?

[Jetfixer]

Between my last post and this one, I agree with all of you. And if I remember correctly, there was some info from Monster that said their flash (Stage 1) essentially kept the factory parameters below 3000 rpm. The new settings kicked in above 3k. And as with any engine, it's best to not lug it when cold. That said, with my Stage 1 flash, my bike still downshifts at the same points if left on its own, and does allow me to upshift even if I feel it might be too low of an rpm. As detrimental as pre-ignition (knock, ping, etc.) is, I almost wish there was a way to know for sure if it would be audible on this bike. I swear I've never heard any either before or after the flash. The Monster Stage 1 flash absolutely comes to life after 3000! This thing just wants to go! I use my Spyder as a daily driver commuter mobile in any weather except icing and brine covered roads. For some reason now, even though I leave my house at the same time, I get to work earlier each day!

 

[JS3535]

Sent mine off for stage 1....can’t hardly wait to get it back!!!

What do you guys think of carrying a bottle of octane boost for emergencies?
I go up to the mountains a lot & always fill up before because most places only have a 87 pump.

 

[Hypurone]

Here's my thoughts on your scenario …. ( not dissing you ) …. " anyone can do something ridiculous/outrageous etc.... I think it's written in the US Constitution " , but I'm not one who would - are you ????? ( again not dissing you ) ……… BRP has done a hugh amount of homework on how to prevent a rider from having an accident ………. However they nor anyone else can prevent someone from just driving off the road or slamming into a bridge abutment …. but imho it's so rare an occurrence I don't think it's been done yet …… and again NOT dissing anyone here ….. Mike hyea:

And they will! I was only confirming that yes, a person can technically "lug" the engine, even with the SE trans, which makes the loads on the rod bearings/wrist pins & rings that much greater.... And once they have the "flashed" power/torque curve, they tend to get "lazy" with the shifting cuz it pulls so well.....

 

[ddjim]

JS3535 Sent mine off for stage 1....can’t hardly wait to get it back!!!

What do you guys think of carrying a bottle of octane boost for emergencies?
I go up to the mountains a lot & always fill up before because most places only have a 87 pump.

sounds like a good plan to me

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

JS3535 Sent mine off for stage 1....can’t hardly wait to get it back!!!

What do you guys think of carrying a bottle of octane boost for emergencies?
I go up to the mountains a lot & always fill up before because most places only have a 87 pump.

sounds like a good plan to me

You might not be happy with the way that stuff is created ( ie chemically ) …… Mike hyea:

 

[strykerAKAmack]

Trigger pulled Vision CX ordered

 

[canamjhb]

JS3535 Sent mine off for stage 1....can’t hardly wait to get it back!!!

What do you guys think of carrying a bottle of octane boost for emergencies?
I go up to the mountains a lot & always fill up before because most places only have a 87 pump.

sounds like a good plan to me

You need LOWER octane at higher altitudes. Less oxygen at higher altitudes so you need to have a lower flash point for the fuel. Your bike will adjust and compensate for the altitude and you should realize better fuel mileage while experiencing reduced performance. Adding octane booster would be counter-productive..... Jim

 

[308gunner]

I am larryd, I am a fan of getting the 89T rear sprockets to work on our heaver, riding double, pulling trailers RT Spyders...This would make a world of difference in the performance of the RT's...When BRP wanted to step up the performance on the F3's all they did was change to the lower gearing 89T rear sprocket...Steve at MFI had been working with two different testers for this project and thought he had it perfected but a glitch showed up...I recently talked to Steve about this task and he said he would like to have a slave RT close at hand to try and get this working...I told Steve that I would donate the 89T sprocket and belt to try and make this happen...Now all that is needed is someone that lives on the Canada side of the boarder close to Steve @ MFI so he has a Spyder in hand to work with...If I lived closer it would be me, but it takes two weeks for the most part to send the ECU back and forth...On the F3's there is a selection in the BUDS menu that you can choose 89T or 79T rear sprocket ratio...I think this is a doable task, SOMEONE JUST NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT HOW...larryd

canamjhb...My above response was to respond to your towing acceleration concerns...My screw up for not attaching to your post...And my RTS has the MFI stage 1 flash...

I asked steve about this too..hes working on it..when hes successful in doing this in which he will (he needs more time)..a lot of people will have it done..

 

[kdp1308]

I just asked Steve about the 89t rear sprocket and this was his reply, "We started to look into allowing sprocket changes, but never finished. Personally, I think the higher gearing of the 79T is better. Just add power to match the 89T acceleration. And I think a better mod would be for the 80T users to install the 79T setup. (Not the opposite)."
I just want to be able to get off the line riding 2 up and to be able to use 5th gear.

 

[larryd]

The only thing the 79 T rear sprocket may be good at is top speed...And then only if you have the HP to push the Spyder thru the air resistance...

When ever you purchase a vehicle with the towing package they have the same HP as all the others but have a lower rear gear to make them pull...

I would like to see two exactly the same EVERYTHING F3 Spyders line up against each other, with the only difference, one equipped with 79T and the other with 89T rear sprockets...I would bet the 89T would kick A** every time...Why do you think BRP changed to the 89T F3??? It was the easiest way to make them quicker...No other reason...

I have offered to loan a 89T black rear sprocket and a new belt to anyone that lives near Steve at MFI to get this developed...He needs a slave bike close at hand to work on...There is too much shipping and riding time lost mailing the ECM's around...

This 89T sprocket change for the RT would really wake these heavy machines up...

larryd

 

[strykerAKAmack]

I just ordered the Dynojet Power Vision, it seems to be user customizable and uses the existing port to connect. We'll see how she goes!

https://cart.dynojet.com/p-3069-power-vision.aspx

Have you tried hooking it up yet ?
Mine arrived yesterday and connecting to port just right of rad cap I get nothing {F3-S} , key turned on , unless I plug in my computer to power unit , but then when I try to do first flash to marry it , it says "no ecu" connected .
thanks

 

[strykerAKAmack]

Have you tried hooking it up yet ?
Mine arrived yesterday and connecting to port just right of rad cap I get nothing {F3-S} , key turned on , unless I plug in my computer to power unit , but then when I try to do first flash to marry it , it says "no ecu" connected .
thanks

digging a little deeper seems got a wrong cable , on the bike plug pins 12345 have cables plugged in but on the PV cable it has pins for 123&6 so 123 pins connect to bike while pin 6 is dead ended . and calls to dj gets phones are down at moment

 

[trikermutha]

I used tech support online. You have the wrong cable. Seems like they been sending the wrong cables for the spyder. And it will never read your ECU . Once you get the correct cable you may have to send the ECU in to pull your tune and then they create one for your Spyder.

Then load the maps to your Tuner and then you can load the revised tune to the ECU.

I was sent cable # # 76950960 this is what they said I needed. Took them 3 times to get it correct.

 

[JS3535]

I called & talked to a guy at Dynojet about a month ago. He couldn’t really give me a good description of how the unit worked, what tunes were available or what features it would do (like quick start). I called back a week later & talked to someone else & same thing. Needless to say I ended up sending my ECU to monster. Should have it back next week, hope the weather holds out to be able to test it.

 

[Lew L]

After reading the last page of this thread------ I'm glad I chose Monster Fuel Injection. Just wish the roads were clear of snow so I could run the :spyder2: with the Flashed ( plug and Play ) installed.

Lew L

 

[strykerAKAmack]

Yea finally got thru to em , wrong cable they Fed ex one for monday morning . Iv'e had PC on all my machines since my Honda CBR F2 and have never had a major problem with any of the units over the years So I don't think they will mess this up ,they been doing this 30 plus years So I got no issues with them .
Best about it {once working of course} is you have control over tunes instead of having to ship out for any thing needed to be done , now if they had OTA updates like Tesla

 

[308gunner]

Yea finally got thru to em , wrong cable they Fed ex one for monday morning . Iv'e had PC on all my machines since my Honda CBR F2 and have never had a major problem with any of the units over the years So I don't think they will mess this up ,they been doing this 30 plus years So I got no issues with them .
Best about it {once working of course} is you have control over tunes instead of having to ship out for any thing needed to be done , now if they had OTA updates like Tesla

Did you receive the right cable?...if so...does it work?

 

[308gunner]

i received this today from maptunerx.
Thanks for your email.
We have stage 1 and stage 2 for your 2017 spyder f3s daytona
Stage 1 + 7Hp
Stage 2 with sport exhaust +9Hp
Tune will only affect sport mode.
Speed Limiter is removed with both stages.
dynojet told me to expect around 10%hp gain with the powervision v3.
power gains seem low compared to the monster fuel tunes +22hp ?.
would be interesting to know what monsters secret sauce is as 22%hp gain seems high for a naturally aspirated engine re-map

The reason why monster is putting out more horsepower than dynotune is because dynotune is only upgrading the software, While Monster opens the ECU box, Replaces hardware components on the ECU board AND Upgrade the software. thats why it cost more and has to be sent in!!!. the only advantage I see of dynotune is that you can tune multiple vehicles with one unit IF you pay additional money. the Disadvantage on dynotune is that you get less horsepower gain ratings...the only disadvantage of monster is you have to remove the ecu and air box lid and send it in to their facility. A lot of people are not that mechanic inclined to do that. I`m glad I am... monster is the better deal overall.

 

[Firefly]

The reason why monster is putting out more horsepower than dynotune is because dynotune is only upgrading the software, While Monster opens the ECU box, Replaces hardware components on the ECU board AND Upgrade the software. thats why it cost more and has to be sent in!!!. the only advantage I see of dynotune is that you can tune multiple vehicles with one unit IF you pay additional money. the Disadvantage on dynotune is that you get less horsepower gain ratings...the only disadvantage of monster is you have to remove the ecu and air box lid and send it in to their facility. A lot of people are not that mechanic inclined to do that. I`m glad I am... monster is the better deal overall.

If Monster is really adding/changing hardware inside the ECU (I've never heard this from anyone else), then you are for sure going to void your warranty. With the Dyno Powervision you can easily flash back to stock.
I don't doubt the Monster and other 'ship and flash' places work good, but their gain claims seem exaggerated and I've never seen any Dyno's provided by them.
The PowerVision claims are much more reasonable and DynoJet has a long history on doing this.
You can buy extra licenses and do more than one Spyder, or even get an unlimited 'garage' license and do tunes for others.... similar to what Monster is doing....without the alleged electronic modifications--- which I find very hard to believe.
No way would I want them permanently changing internal hardware on the ECU...…

My PowerVision should be in later this week, although it's not riding season up here in Michigan...

 

[308gunner]

If Monster is really adding/changing hardware inside the ECU (I've never heard this from anyone else), then you are for sure going to void your warranty. With the Dyno Powervision you can easily flash back to stock.
I don't doubt the Monster and other 'ship and flash' places work good, but their gain claims seem exaggerated and I've never seen any Dyno's provided by them.
The PowerVision claims are much more reasonable and DynoJet has a long history on doing this.
You can buy extra licenses and do more than one Spyder, or even get an unlimited 'garage' license and do tunes for others.... similar to what Monster is doing....without the alleged electronic modifications--- which I find very hard to believe.
No way would I want them permanently changing internal hardware on the ECU...…

My PowerVision should be in later this week, although it's not riding season up here in Michigan...

the ECU can be put back to standard configuration at the customer request..I just send it back..ask yourself...why do monster request to send the ECU in...just to program it?...hhhhmmm...NO!!....chances are theyre upgrading/replacing the EEPROM hardware/software to a LARGER BYTE SPACE EEPROM (more room for the enhanced software) combined with the enhanced software which makes sense. thats why you get more true horsepower...similiar to upgrading the speed/memory on a computer (hardware upgrade/replacement). Software only goes so far. With that being said Monster to me is better. better yet..when you get your powervision...race someone who has a monster and see who wins...shouldnt be hard to find a competitor....and when you do, post it ...inquiring minds wants to know the results.