Have you had an ECU Flash? How long did it take? Any good?

[Batmobil-F3]

so fatboy, telle me more ...

 

[fatboy]

stage 2 with cat delete still streetable but when you wana go you better hang on i have the very same bike as you bat

 

[gom]

chances are they are not updating the EEPROM because you do not need more memory they just overwrite the parameters that are all ready there. You have to send it in because it is cheaper for them to not have to make equipment like the dyno power unit , and we do not have to buy a programmer. I reflash ECM for chevy's and the equipment is not cheap

 

[fatboy]

oh ya also 115 mph so far

 

[Dmartin]

Ok why doesnt anyone answer this question ? or did I miss it? Does B.U.D.S overwrite the FLASH when the shop plug the bike in for service or updates??

 

[Peter Aawen]

Ok why doesnt anyone answer this question ? or did I miss it? Does B.U.D.S overwrite the FLASH when the shop plug the bike in for service or updates??

That depends a whole lot on exactly how the Flash or ECU Upgrade is done! Broadly speaking, those upgrades that are done via the OBD port &/or without removing the ECU from the bike will be more likely to be called a 'flash' and be more likely to be ABLE to be over-written by BUDS or any service work. Still, that level of BUDS change is only likely to happen if the ECU needs another upgrade or a patch fix from the manufacturer; but it certainly is possible & is waaay more likely than if you get one of the better 'remove the ECU' upgrades.... :sour:

Those Upgrades that are done by removing the ECU & cracking it open to actually physically modify things &/or directly upgrade some of the chips or settings in there are very unlikely to be easily over-written even if the manufacturer applies a patch or upgrade via BUDS &/or the UBD. Usually the only way an operator or technician will be able to even TELL that the ECU has been upgraded 'properly' that way will be if they specifically search for tell-tales, like checking the ECU for signs of being opened, or looking for a changed max rev limit, or viewing the specific settings of the mapping, ie, things they very rarely do &/or most run of the mill techs aren't really capable of doing anyway! :lecturef_smilie:

And effectively, the only way to 'completely remove' the 'properly' upgraded ECU mapping is to reverse what was done to achieve the upgrade in the first place, which would entail cracking the ECU open again & replacing any changed components & re-writing any upgraded settings. So, if your ECU has been upgraded 'properly', it's extremely unlikely that it'll be easily recognised by anyone doing any 'run of the mill' servicing or just thru connecting BUDS, and even if they do realise somethings been upgraded, it's even more unlikely that they'll be able to down-grade whatever back to its previous settings via the UBD/BUDS! My 2013 RT's Upgrade has been there for quite a while now, a few years even, and it's had a few services done, been connected & upgraded via BUDS more than just once, and apart from noting that I've always kept it well up in the revs, the ONLY comment from any tech has been after a test ride, when the tech concerned said "that's gotta be the best performing Spyder I've ever ridden. It pulls like a train all the way, doesn't it?! I wish they were all that good!" :shocked:

But if you bought a cheapy 'upgrade' or 'flash', maybe something you picked up off the internet, & it was applied via the UBD port, then you'll have received exactly what you paid for, ie, a cheapie flash, and that means there's a very good chance that it'll be over-written if they ever hafta plug it in to BUDS to reset or upgrade anything! :gaah:

 

[ddjim]

That depends a whole lot on exactly how the Flash or ECU Upgrade is done! Broadly speaking, those upgrades that are done via the OBD port &/or without removing the ECU from the bike will be more likely to be called a 'flash' and be more likely to be ABLE to be over-written by BUDS or any service work. Still, that level of BUDS change is only likely to happen if the ECU needs another upgrade or a patch fix from the manufacturer; but it certainly is possible & is waaay more likely than if you get one of the better 'remove the ECU' upgrades.... :sour:

Those Upgrades that are done by removing the ECU & cracking it open to actually physically modify things &/or directly upgrade some of the chips or settings in there are very unlikely to be easily over-written even if the manufacturer applies a patch or upgrade via BUDS &/or the UBD. Usually the only way an operator or technician will be able to even TELL that the ECU has been upgraded 'properly' that way will be if they specifically search for tell-tales, like checking the ECU for signs of being opened, or looking for a changed max rev limit, or viewing the specific settings of the mapping, ie, things they very rarely do &/or most run of the mill techs aren't really capable of doing anyway! :lecturef_smilie:

And effectively, the only way to 'completely remove' the 'properly' upgraded ECU mapping is to reverse what was done to achieve the upgrade in the first place, which would entail cracking the ECU open again & replacing any changed components & re-writing any upgraded settings. So, if your ECU has been upgraded 'properly', it's extremely unlikely that it'll be easily recognised by anyone doing any 'run of the mill' servicing or just thru connecting BUDS, and even if they do realise somethings been upgraded, it's even more unlikely that they'll be able to down-grade whatever back to its previous settings via the UBD/BUDS! My 2013 RT's Upgrade has been there for quite a while now, a few years even, and it's had a few services done, been connected & upgraded via BUDS more than just once, and apart from noting that I've always kept it well up in the revs, the ONLY comment from any tech has been after a test ride, when the tech concerned said "that's gotta be the best performing Spyder I've ever ridden. It pulls like a train all the way, doesn't it?! I wish they were all that good!" :shocked:

But if you bought a cheapy 'upgrade' or 'flash', maybe something you picked up off the internet, & it was applied via the UBD port, then you'll have received exactly what you paid for, ie, a cheapie flash, and that means there's a very good chance that it'll be over-written if they ever hafta plug it in to BUDS to reset or upgrade anything! :gaah:

whether you flash the ecu by splitting the ecu or flashing via obd port the same ecu tables are being modified both methods read the ecu eeprom then write back modified tables.nothing is upgraded when splitting the ecu other than the ecu tables. In the unlikely event the dealer had to do a full ecu reset tunes would be lost with both methods.Whats cheap about dynojet power vision or maptunerx?

 

[gom]

these companies are not opening up your ECU they are using the same ports that the BUDS use. where did you guys here that they are splitting open the ECU

 

[ddjim]

these companies are not opening up your ECU they are using the same ports that the BUDS use. where did you guys here that they are splitting open the ECU

Monster fuel injection in Canada had to split the ecu in the past now they don't. I believe the re-sellers in the USA still have to split the ecu read the eeprom chip send file to Monster fuel injection in Canada who mod file then send back to re-seller to wright back to the eeprom chip

 

[AY4B]

I believe they still open them up. I say that because You still can not just go to the Wic-it location and have it done while you wait. They say it takes time for the adhesive to dry. You would have to spend the night.

 

[gom]

I have been building,racing,working and tuning automobiles for over 40 years I have not have to open up a ECU in over 20 years to tune them in the old days we would replace the prom but we just hook up to the OBD port now with the computer and special software and adapters. How do you think the companies that sell you the tuner do it the same way that monster and wicks do it. They just do not want to invest in R&D for the tunner to sell you its more money for them. The only real difference in the tune is monster/wicks are selling you a more aggressive tune one is not better than the other. Also they do not want you to wait and probably say it takes longer because you will get upset when they charge you 600 for 1/2 hours worth of work it's the same as when you take your car in they will not call you until the end of day even if the repair only took a couple of hours but charged book time which was way more time than it exacually did the average person would be upset. I now and understand how and what it takes to do a performance tune. If bikes are different than I am sorry never tuned a bike yet. In closing the last thing I would want is some one to open up my ECU and then try to seal it right that's a whole nother can of worms. Like I said I do performance tunes for automobiles not bikes so if it's different I will stand corrected

 

[Yukonf3]

Opening ecu

Some of the ecus need to be opened for enough access to crack the access code. Once cracked others of the same version dont need to be opened.

 

[Peteoz]

GOM,

Jase, out here in Oz, will allow you to bring your Spyder in, and will upload the new tune direct through the plug without even removing the ECM. However, if you wish to avoid the dealer accidentally overwriting your tune when they are doing certain types of BUDS resets, he needs to take it out, crack it open, reconfigure and reseal the ECM. The cost is similar for both methods, as the charge covers Jase’ creation of the tune as well as the physical work involved. The reseal is perfect and undectable and does not appear to be any kind of can of worms.
It’s a little unfair when you hop on this site and start disparaging suppliers based on what you think MIGHT be happening with Spyder ECM upgrades.

Pete

I have been building,racing,working and tuning automobiles for over 40 years I have not have to open up a ECU in over 20 years to tune them in the old days we would replace the prom but we just hook up to the OBD port now with the computer and special software and adapters. How do you think the companies that sell you the tuner do it the same way that monster and wicks do it. They just do not want to invest in R&D for the tunner to sell you its more money for them. The only real difference in the tune is monster/wicks are selling you a more aggressive tune one is not better than the other. Also they do not want you to wait and probably say it takes longer because you will get upset when they charge you 600 for 1/2 hours worth of work it's the same as when you take your car in they will not call you until the end of day even if the repair only took a couple of hours but charged book time which was way more time than it exacually did the average person would be upset. I now and understand how and what it takes to do a performance tune. If bikes are different than I am sorry never tuned a bike yet. In closing the last thing I would want is some one to open up my ECU and then try to seal it right that's a whole nother can of worms. Like I said I do performance tunes for automobiles not bikes so if it's different I will stand corrected

 

[Dennis in Lodi]

I have been building,racing,working and tuning automobiles for over 40 years I have not have to open up a ECU in over 20 years to tune them in the old days we would replace the prom but we just hook up to the OBD port now with the computer and special software and adapters. How do you think the companies that sell you the tuner do it the same way that monster and wicks do it. They just do not want to invest in R&D for the tunner to sell you its more money for them. The only real difference in the tune is monster/wicks are selling you a more aggressive tune one is not better than the other. Also they do not want you to wait and probably say it takes longer because you will get upset when they charge you 600 for 1/2 hours worth of work it's the same as when you take your car in they will not call you until the end of day even if the repair only took a couple of hours but charged book time which was way more time than it exacually did the average person would be upset. I now and understand how and what it takes to do a performance tune. If bikes are different than I am sorry never tuned a bike yet. In closing the last thing I would want is some one to open up my ECU and then try to seal it right that's a whole nother can of worms. Like I said I do performance tunes for automobiles not bikes so if it's different I will stand corrected

I saw it performed four times at Monster fuel on my spare ECUs for testing. I took an hour and a half for the computer to REWRITE 30,000 lines of code into the ECU. I too thought it should just take a couple of minutes. Monster and Wick it are the same tune its just an option of keeping your ECU in the USA or sending it to Canada. Wick-it is quicker turn around for mail in the USA. I was told at Monster fuel that Wick-it sends the files to them and they send them back?
I agree with Pete, a lot of talk that isn't relevant to the facts. Many riders on this forum have racing backgrounds and a vast resource of great knowledge for outside the box problem solving.
This thread is WAY TOO LONG.
Dennis

 

[308gunner]

I saw it performed four times at Monster fuel on my spare ECUs for testing. I took an hour and a half for the computer to REWRITE 30,000 lines of code into the ECU. I too thought it should just take a couple of minutes. Monster and Wick it are the same tune its just an option of keeping your ECU in the USA or sending it to Canada. Wick-it is quicker turn around for mail in the USA. I was told at Monster fuel that Wick-it sends the files to them and they send them back?
I agree with Pete, a lot of talk that isn't relevant to the facts. Many riders on this forum have racing backgrounds and a vast resource of great knowledge for outside the box problem solving.
This thread is WAY TOO LONG.
Dennis

It's a long thread...but...a very good one...

 

[gom]

I am not trying to disparaging suppliers just asking question that you all should be asking. And what are they reconfiguring that is my question. Also I am not just hopping on this sight I have been a member since 2014. I always give my customers a copy of there dyno pull sheets and explain everything I do when tuning there cars. And if you read my last sentence why are your personal attacks being done. Inclosing I here from a lot of people that do not tune ECM but have not heard from the guys that do

 

[Peteoz]

gom, unfortunately, comments like “Also they do not want you to wait and probably say it takes longer because you will get upset when they charge you 600 for 1/2 hours worth of work” are indeed disparaging to suppliers, and even more so when you don’t know exactly what they do. Personal attacks?? I was simply saying that it is unfair for anyone to hop on the site (regardless of how long you have been a member) and cast aspersions regarding suppliers honesty re charging when you know so little about who they are and what they do.

Pete

I am not trying to disparaging suppliers just asking question that you all should be asking. And what are they reconfiguring that is my question. Also I am not just hopping on this sight I have been a member since 2014. I always give my customers a copy of there dyno pull sheets and explain everything I do when tuning there cars. And if you read my last sentence why are your personal attacks being done. Inclosing I here from a lot of people that do not tune ECM but have not heard from the guys that do

 

[AbNormy]

got mine done a few weeks ago from Wick It and it was quick turnaround and runs great! fixing to do a 2600 mile trip next month to NM CO WY MT and UT, Ill report back but anticipate it running a LOT smoother. :2excited:

 

[gom]

Pete , I am not questioning there honesty just stating a fact what happens in the automotive industry. And I am not saying that is what they do. I am very aware of the hard work and long hours it takes to tune a vehicle, do you. I am sure the companies are very good at what they do and are very reputable . My goal was not to disrespect any company but people her has stated that's it's un traceable and other comments that just don't add up. But no one has stated how.I am pretty sure you do not know what they do and why. I was just trying to understand why they do not use the computer port like the dynojet cx does. When they get there original data how do you think they do it. And yes I do know what I am talking about and how to tune vehicles. But like I said earlier if bikes are different then can some one tell me why.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Pete , I am not questioning there honesty just stating a fact what happens in the automotive industry. And I am not saying that is what they do. I am very aware of the hard work and long hours it takes to tune a vehicle, do you. I am sure the companies are very good at what they do and are very reputable . My goal was not to disrespect any company but people her has stated that's it's un traceable and other comments that just don't add up. But no one has stated how.I am pretty sure you do not know what they do and why. I was just trying to understand why they do not use the computer port like the dynojet cx does. When they get there original data how do you think they do it. And yes I do know what I am talking about and how to tune vehicles. But like I said earlier if bikes are different then can some one tell me why.

Here's a news flash ……. contact Monster Fuel and ask them !!!!!! ……..just a thought ….. Mike hyea: