GUN CONTROL,,, lets see if we can discuss this w/o me pulling the post

[Cavman]

Has anyone noticed that Switzerland has never been invaded? There is a reason for that. After serving in the military, they get to keep their weapons as required by law and have ammo for them.

 

[bmccaffrey]

rest my case

 

[cptjam]

Yup

Too true!

 

[Saluda]

How many laws do you have to have that say you can not harm or kill someone ? Enforce what we have.
Politicians give the illusion of control by saying we need more gun laws.
Our society is in a very sad situation. Respect, standards, morals and ethics all seem on the endangered list.
Join the NRA. Perfect ? No. Needed ? Yes.

 

[Joe T.]

And NOW, for something TOTALLY different - -

Straight from the land of KANSAS:

Gun laws in Kansas

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Gun laws in Kansas regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition in the state of Kansas in the United States.[SUP][1][/SUP]
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[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Subject/Law[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Long Guns[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Handguns[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Relevant Statutes[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Notes[/TH]
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[TD]State permit to purchase?[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Firearm registration?[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Assault weapon law?[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Magazine Capacity Restriction?[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Owner license required?[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carry permits issued?[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD]Yes[/TD]
[TD]Kansas Chapter 75 Article 7c[/TD]
[TD]May carry concealed without permit as of July 1, 2015, though permits can be issued for those who wish to have them.[/TD]
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[TD]Open Carry?[/TD]
[TD]Yes[/TD]
[TD]Yes[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]May carry openly without permit/license.[/TD]
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[TD]NFA weapons restricted?[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Shall Certify?[/TD]
[TD]Yes[/TD]
[TD]Yes[/TD]
[TD]48-1906[/TD]
[TD]Shall certify within 15 days.[/TD]
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[TD]Peaceable journey laws?[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD]No[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Federal rules observed.[/TD]
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Location of Kansas in the United States​

Despite having relatively nonrestrictive firearms laws, Kansas remained one of the few states with no provision for the concealed carry of firearms until March 2006, when the state legislature passed Senate Bill 418, "The Personal and Family Protection Act." This bill made Kansas the 47th state to permit concealed carry in some form and the 36th state with a "shall issue" policy.[SUP][2][/SUP] The bill was passed 30–10 in the state senate and 91–33 in the state house of representatives, gaining enough votes to override a veto from Governor Kathleen Sebelius, who had previously vetoed several other attempts to legalize concealed carry. Under the law, the Attorney General began granting permits to qualified applicants on January 1, 2007. Previously, Kansas had allowed only open carry of firearms, except where prohibited by local ordinance.
On April 21, 2008, Governor Kathleen Sebelius signed a bill allowing the sale and possession of NFA weapons. The law took effect on July 1, 2008.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP]
On April 22, 2014, Governor Sam Brownback signed HB 2578 the CLEO Shall Sign and Comprehensive Preemption legislation. These new laws went into effect on July 1, 2014. Effective on that date there will no longer be any local control of firearms. All current local firearms ordinances are null and void and all firearms laws are uniform statewide. The bill:

• Prohibits any city or county from expending funds derived from the proceeds of implementing, administering or operating a firearms buyback program.
• Preempts any and all local control of firearms and ammunition. No city or county or agent of such will be able to adopt any ordinance, resolution or regulation or take any administrative action governing the purchase, transfer, ownership, storage, carrying on one’s person or transporting firearms or ammunition or any component or combination thereof.
• No city or county or agent of such will be able to adopt any ordinance, resolution or regulation relating to the sale of a firearm by an individual who holds a federal firearms license that is more restrictive than any ordinance or regulation relating to the sale of any other commercial good.
• Clarifies that no municipality can enact any ordinance, resolution, regulation or tax relating to the transportation, possession, carrying, sale, transfer, purchase, gift, devise, licensing, registration or use of a knife or knife making components. Nullifies all existing past ordinances and prohibits future ones.
• Prohibits the destruction of seized firearms once they are no longer needed as evidence. They may be traded with other departments and KBI, sold or traded to licensed firearms dealers, used for testing or comparison by the forensics laboratory or given to the Kansas Department of Wildlife Parks and Tourism for use in Hunter Education programs. Payments for transfers will be credited to the asset seizure and forfeiture fund of the seizing agency.
• If a weapon is seized from an individual and they are not convicted or adjudicated of a crime that prevents firearms ownership, it shall be verified it is not stolen and upon verification returned to the individual from whom it was seized within 30 days.
• Cleans up the Knife Act from 2013 providing intended prohibition of enforcement of local ordinances passed prior to July 1, 2013 and addresses possession of knives by convicted felons. While daggers, dirks, dangerous knives, straight-edged razors, and stilettos are added back in to the law it is with an express intent and caveat that they are only prohibited for use with the intent to use it against another person unlawfully.
• Prohibits municipalities from requiring disclosure or making a record of concealed carry permits. Cities and counties are permitted to adopt ordinances, resolutions, or regulations relative to the personnel policies governing concealed carry of handguns by city or county employees, so long as in compliance with this law. The bill requires any such records created by a municipality before the effective date of the bill be destroyed by July 31, 2014.
• Requires that certification by a chief law enforcement officer (CLEO), when a sign off is required for the transfer of a firearm or other item regulated by the National Firearms Act ("NFA"), be provided within fifteen days as long as the applicant is not prohibited by law from receiving the firearm or other item.

Whar does I gets me one of them thar AR-15s? I needs one!!!



Joe T.

 

[Gray Ghost]

Two points that are usually brought up when gun control is spoken of in terms of background checks, the so called gun show loophole and online sales.

In most states I am aware of, when you purchase a weapon at a gun show from someone who makes a certain percentage of their income from gun sales they are required by federal law to perform a background check before completing the sale. Private sellers are not required to do that. The point of concern with some proposed legislation is that anyone transferring a weapon to any other individual would be required to perform a background check. That would apply to loaning a hunting rifle to a relative or neighbor.

Online sales are often presented as being a problem. The rules are that I could sell a weapon to someone in my own state and ship it to them without having to go through to background check process. If I want to sell one to someone in a different state I have to ship it to a federally licensed person, usually a dealer, and the person can pick it up once they have passed a background check performed by the licensed person. If I want to buy a weapon from an online dealer they have to ship it to a licensed person and I pick it up from them after passing a background check. So the only way you can purchase a weapon online without having to go through a background check is to purchase it within the same state from a non-licensed person.

 

[MMMII]

Some politicians said we need guns and arm our self to protect us. So far these ideas have not work for centuries in Israel. Maybe we don't need guns so far Love is all we need. All We Need is LOVE (BEATLES).

Peace to all and May we all have loving Holiday season.

The Beatles also said that 'happiness is a warm gun'.

Happy Non-denominational December Celebration(s).

 

[DR Buck]

"....... the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."


And if you find this is confusing, here is what it means :

INFRINGE : act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on. "his legal rights were being infringed"
synonyms: restrict, limit, curb, check, encroach on; undermine, erode, diminish, weaken, impair, damage, compromise. ....


By definition ALL gun laws are a constitutional violation.

 

[Bob Denman]

So You Think You Know the Second Amendment?
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/so-you-think-you-know-the-second-amendment

This is a very tired and incorrect argument.
When the Bill of Rights was being written; the people were the Militia...
And this argument has been upheld in Court.

Every other one of those Rights was an Individual's right...
Why would the Second Amendment be a collective right?

 

[Mcubed45]

In my opinion. . .

Just as the first amendment does not give you the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater or slander your neighbor, the second amendment should not allow those with known terrorist ties, mental deficiency, or criminal history the right to buy guns openly and legally. Background checks and more attention to mental health should be at the forefront of gun control.

then, we, as citizens have a duty to speak up when anyone starts making noises or taking actions that endanger the community as a whole. I also think that those without the right to have a gun who get caught with a gun should spend a very long time in custody of the state.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

how about since we won't get rid of legal guns we actually make laws the help eliminate illegal guns. life in prison without parole. perhaps if you use a gun while
committing a crime life in prison without parole in solitary no exceptions & selling a gun illegally(straw) is treated the same.

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

Gun control ... is putting 2 shots 1" apart directly in the heart !!:clap:

osm

 

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: An entire inch apart?
I'd say that you missed, with your second shot...

 

[TommyBwell]

how about since we won't get rid of legal guns we actually make laws the help eliminate illegal guns. life in prison without parole. perhaps if you use a gun while
committing a crime life in prison without parole in solitary no exceptions & selling a gun illegally(straw) is treated the same.

That is so funny, you never hear about doing anything about the illegal guns, just the legal ones. Very good point.

 

[PrairieSpyder]

how about since we won't get rid of legal guns we actually make laws the help eliminate illegal guns. life in prison without parole. perhaps if you use a gun while
committing a crime life in prison without parole in solitary no exceptions & selling a gun illegally(straw) is treated the same.

There already are laws against illegal guns. That's how they're known as "illegal". They just need to be enforced.

 

[ES44AC]

This is a very tired and incorrect argument.
When the Bill of Rights was being written; the people were the Militia...:clap::thumbup:
And this argument has been upheld in Court.

Every other one of those Rights was an Individual's right...
Why would the Second Amendment be a collective right?

Rock on Bob !:thumbup:


Gun control advocates can never get the reality that criminals will ALWAYS have a gun ,because they don't care if they break the law or not.

 

[flaggerphil]

I have no problem with gun ownership, but this thought crossed my mind the other day...

I lived in New Orleans when I was in junior high and high school. New Orleans then had a thriving organized crime operation...even though old J. Edgar said there was no organized crime in the U.S. But that's another story.

Anyway, I took creative writing in school and on one assignment wrote a kind of Steven King story about a guy who was in a department store and picked up an item that had a sign that read "do not touch." As soon as he picked it up he fell through a trap door into a spooky basement where he was attacked by some kind of mutant monster (remember, I was 16). He saved himself by pulling out his trusty .38 revolver and shooting the monster, before escaping though a back door.

I got a "C" on the story. You know why? Because my teacher said "regular people don't carry guns as a matter of course." And other kids and adults said it was crazy that someone would just be carrying a gun around like it was normal. This was in 1967...in a New Orleans that was quite a bit wilder than it is now.

Before then I also lived in Seattle, Utah, Delaware, and Alabama. In all those places many people had long guns as a matter of course. But carrying hand guns was not considered "normal."

You can take that as you wish...

 

[PrairieSpyder]

I have no problem with gun ownership, but this thought crossed my mind the other day...

I lived in New Orleans when I was in junior high and high school. New Orleans then had a thriving organized crime operation...even though old J. Edgar said there was no organized crime in the U.S. But that's another story.

Anyway, I took creative writing in school and on one assignment wrote a kind of Steven King story about a guy who was in a department store and picked up an item that had a sign that read "do not touch." As soon as he picked it up he fell through a trap door into a spooky basement where he was attacked by some kind of mutant monster (remember, I was 16). He saved himself by pulling out his trusty .38 revolver and shooting the monster, before escaping though a back door.

I got a "C" on the story. You know why? Because my teacher said "regular people don't carry guns as a matter of course." And other kids and adults said it was crazy that someone would just be carrying a gun around like it was normal. This was in 1967...in a New Orleans that was quite a bit wilder than it is now.

Before then I also lived in Seattle, Utah, Delaware, and Alabama. In all those places many people had long guns as a matter of course. But carrying hand guns was not considered "normal."

You can take that as you wish...

When I was younger, I knew of lots of people who carried weapons. I don't know what the laws were then, but I know people did it. Once the cops were chasing a guy and one of them came into the bar where the local folks hung out (as opposed to the bars frequented by the GIs in this army town), and asked my brother if he was "packing" and to come help them. (Our police force was a lot smaller then.)

Also, when I was a kid there was a "boys gun club" at the police station shooting range in the basement of the municipal building. You'd see boys about 8-12 years old walking through town carrying a .22 rifle and a box of ammo to go shoot.

It seems odd to me that people are so alarmed by the sight of any kind of gun.

 

[Bob Denman]

I live 8 miles from a Medium Security State Prison, and 15 miles from a Maximum Security Prison...
A while back; there was an escape from the "Max..." :yikes:
The escapee made the mistake of trying to break into a house just outside of Town...
...and took six rounds in his chest; ending his exciting time on the run! :thumbup:

The Homeowner was just a regular guy, with no ties to Law Enforcement.
When the word got out that there had been an escape; he did what he thought was the reasonable thing to do: he armed himself.
End of Story...

 

[bmccaffrey]

That's funny u bring that up

When i was in junior high i belong to a rifle club and we would shoot in the basement.

Nobody thought about using the gun on students.

We also had religous ed classes back then that u attended during regular school hrs.

Is it the gun or LACK OF RESPECT FOR LIFE ITSELF :dontknow: