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Gas mileage

Danimal said:
Well.. obviously if you are buying a new vehicle because you NEED one anyway.... you are going to consider MPG....

But you have to be realistic....

Let's look at bjt's example.

Previous car got 12 mpg.
(3 miles per dollar @ $4.00/gallon)

Spyder gets 35 mpg.
(8.75 miles per dollar @ $4.00/gallon)

Difference of 23 MPG
(5.75 miles per dollar)

Price of Spyder - out the door - $ 17,500 + any extras....

Current price of gas..... $4.00/Gallon.

So you are getting an extra 5.75 miles on the Spyder for every dollar you spend.

In order to SAVE $17,500 in gas... you would have to ride an additional 100,625 miles (17,500 x 5.75) in order to just pay for the purchase price of the Spyder.

That doesn't include maintenance,insurance, etc.

These are just round figures.... but you get the idea......

The other factor is that I have found a 2 mile trip to the store takes at 30 miles on the Spyder...... ;D


No way did anyone buy a Spyder with saving MPG as the main reason....

One flaw in your theory. The gas saving in mpg does not need to be figured as a payoff for the vehicle. If you have a weekly gas budget as an example, weather you are talking the Spyder, a motorcycle or a car that gets better mpg than your current vehicle, you are going to save weekly on your cost of fuel. We live with somewhat of a budget, nothing extreme and we don't alway follow it to the tee. But if we were budgeting $50 a week for fuel and only getting 12mpg and now we are getting 30 mph, there is going to be weekly savings in our budget. Just because you consider the mpg as part of a reason to buy a vehicle doesn't mean you are going to use that as your whole justification in the purchase.

We really liked the Spyders, we liked the looks and the safety features. Did we buy them solely for increased mpg, no. But if we had been told they are only going to get 15-20 mpg I don't think we would have bought them. I think I would have gone with the Bergman 450 or 600. The 30+ mpg did make a difference in my choice. It is better than my car and more fun to drive and safer than a conventional motorcycle, I had to figure in a lot of factors. Yes it is a toy, but it is also a primary form of transportation for me. I plan on riding it 9 months out of the year. I realize you don't like to ride in the rain or poor weather, I will dress accordingly and go out in whatever. Until the snow flies, I am riding the Spyder. You may not understand this thought process but that is my reason and explanation.
 
when I hit the red light .I always turn off my bike , if I know it will take more than 6 seconds for stopping time .
There is a report about turn off your engine more than 6 seconds then restart you will save gas and cleaning air .I think it is not only save gas and clean air but also cool down your engine too.
 
I understand what you are saying Deb..... I just look at the big picture... and having a $ 500 a month Spyder payment would be hard to offset with weekly gas savings.


joelin ..... turning your bike off at red lights is NOT SAFE.

You need to be running in case something happens and you need to move quickly.

The electric fan may not run when the bike is turned off - I'm unsure on the Spyder - but if that is the case you could cause problems overheating.

Motorcycles do not do a good job of charging the battery... hence why most use a Battery Tender when parked at night. If you stop and start your bike a lot you are only draining the battery more and more.
 
Danimal said:
Well.. obviously if you are buying a new vehicle because you NEED one anyway.... you are going to consider MPG....

But you have to be realistic....

Let's look at bjt's example.

Previous car got 12 mpg.
(3 miles per dollar @ $4.00/gallon)

Spyder gets 35 mpg.
(8.75 miles per dollar @ $4.00/gallon)

Difference of 23 MPG
(5.75 miles per dollar)

Price of Spyder - out the door - $ 17,500 + any extras....

Current price of gas..... $4.00/Gallon.

So you are getting an extra 5.75 miles on the Spyder for every dollar you spend.

In order to SAVE $17,500 in gas... you would have to ride an additional 100,625 miles (17,500 x 5.75) in order to just pay for the purchase price of the Spyder.

That doesn't include maintenance,insurance, etc.

These are just round figures.... but you get the idea......

The other factor is that I have found a 2 mile trip to the store takes at 30 miles on the Spyder...... ;D


No way did anyone buy a Spyder with saving MPG as the main reason....

It doesn't make sense to compare your fuel savings to the total cost of the Spyder because it's not going to depreciate to zero (hopefully not anytime soon anyway!). I bought the Spyder mostly as a toy but also as a more efficient transportation alternative (I'm about 14 MPG otherwise). If the Spyder got 14 MPG I wouldn't have bought it, and if it got 50 or 60 MPG I would have definitely been willing to pay more.
 
Danimal said:
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joelin ..... turning your bike off at red lights is NOT SAFE.

You need to be running in case something happens and you need to move quickly....

+1 Absolutely...plus in first gear, clutch in, ready to go to a predetermined safe spot.
 
Well.. I just never even thought about the MPG of the Spyder when I bought it.... and really would have bought it no matter what.
 
I haven't ridden mine much yet but will now since it's not so hot and sticky out. I put on the touring windshield and hoping I can wear my shorty with it. I will be riding it to work. I don't live far from work but my car only gets around 12-13 miles to the gallon. So I am very happy getting ANYTHING over 12-13!
 
Danimal said:
Never kept track of it... never will. When I get down to 2 bars... I refill.

Considering all of us spent over $15,000 of disposable income on this toy.... complaining about $$$ on gas is a moot issue IMO.


Put it this way..... did anyone out here really buy a Spyder because they wanted to save $$$ on gas????

No way...... It would take forever to make back the $15,000 you invested in the Spyder.... in Gas Savings.
:agree:
 
Well i have been keeping track of my gas milage since i got the spyder. I have filled up 5 times in the 650 miles I have on it. The first take was 26mpg, 28, 27, 31, and the best so far was this last tank at 33mpg.
 
Current price of gas..... $4.00/Gallon.


Just to throw more gasoline on the fire of this discussion (sorry, couldn't resist), the price of gas when I filled up on Friday on Cape Cod, MA, near the west side of the Bourne bridge was $3.59 per gallon for Shell. Citgo and Gulf were cheaper, but by the time I slammed on my brakes I was at a Shell station, so I filled up... nojoke
 
How will we all feel about mpg in the future when gas is 10.00 a gallon?I didnt care about gas a few years back when gas was 1.65.I filled up my sea-doo and ran it out by lunch.we will love the spyders more in the future.....................
 
Just to throw more gasoline on the fire of this discussion (sorry, couldn't resist), the price of gas when I filled up on Friday on Cape Cod, MA, near the west side of the Bourne bridge was $3.59 per gallon for Shell. Citgo and Gulf were cheaper, but by the time I slammed on my brakes I was at a Shell station, so I filled up... nojoke

The Amaco on my way to work has regular for 3.56 its dropped 40 cents in the past 2 weeks here
 
A few observations from a new open-air rider; 1400+ miles, and no, I didn't buy the Roadster for mileage either :-)

1.) Fill the tank. As someone else posted here, the tank will not completely fill with the nozzle stuffed into it. You need to pull the fuel nozzle up, and slowly top the tank off, I stop when fuel starts to kick back out the air slots.

More importantly,

2.) For the past week I've been running the Roadster at 6500-7500 RPMs in each gear, as opposed to 3500-4000 RPMs like I do with my car. This seems to have made a huge improvement in mileage.

Bottom line, my gas mileage seems to be on par with others following the adjustments above.
 
A few observations from a new open-air rider; 1400+ miles, and no, I didn't buy the Roadster for mileage either :-)

1.) Fill the tank. As someone else posted here, the tank will not completely fill with the nozzle stuffed into it. You need to pull the fuel nozzle up, and slowly top the tank off, I stop when fuel starts to kick back out the air slots.

More importantly,

2.) For the past week I've been running the Roadster at 6500-7500 RPMs in each gear, as opposed to 3500-4000 RPMs like I do with my car. This seems to have made a huge improvement in mileage.

Bottom line, my gas mileage seems to be on par with others following the adjustments above.

so you are getting better gas milage by going higher in RPM's?
 
That's the observation.

Hoping someone on this thread, who has experience with this type of sport engine, would be able to confirm/deny.

Being a new rider, I "think" I've been driving the roadster w/automobile habits, and after thinking about it, it makes sense. If I'm running a gear, say 3rd, at 3500 RPMs my guess is I'm inefficiently burning fuel. A better way would be to run 2nd gear in the 6-7K range.

... or am i smokin' something?
 
MPG

I AVERAGE ABOUT 38MPG, LOW OF 35 HIGH OF 41. SPYDER WAS BROKEN IN MODERATELY. WHEN I COME TO A STOPLIGHT, I DOWN SHIFT TO NEUTRAL. ALSO BECAUSE OF THE GEARING, YOU SHIFT INTO 5TH GEAR AT ABOUT 37 MPH. THE ENGINE PULLS NICELY FROM ABOUT 2600RPM. AS FAR AS HIGHER ELEVATION.[IAM ABOUT 5000FT] THE ENGINE USUALLY RUNS RICHER DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH THE FUEL INJECTION WILL COMPENSATE. I CHANGED OIL AT 1000 MILES PER MY DEALER I USED BRP OIL. MY NEXT CHANGE I WILL TRY AMSOIL 10W40. ALSO MY OIL WAS PRETTY DIRTY, SO IAM GLAD I CHANGED EARLY. I DO NOT THINK WE WILL SEE MPG ABOVE 40 UNTIL WE CAN CHANGE THE RATIO OF THE 5TH GEAR.
[WHAT WAS BRP THINKING THAT WE WERE GOING TO JUST DRIVE IN TOWN] WITH THE RIGHT MODS THIS IS A GREAT RODE BIKE. JUST ASK LAMONT.
 
Smaller rear sprocket and belt accessory or get rid of that reverse, which I don't care to have my tranny torn apart should the option come available. The reverse function has been only a novelty at best for me, this thing is easy to push around, I would rather have 6th gear. The gas mileage for this machine is a little ridiculous. I did get 36.5 mpg today, but it was all 55, mainly under 45...during my workweek it goes down to 30ish, this machine should easily get 40 mpg minimum. Unfotunatley the way it's geared forces bad fuel economy.
 
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31 mpg mostly 33 couple times driving the same:dontknow: using premium..
used regular 1 tank and i could tell difference more popping on downshifts
and idle was rough.. i'd be suprised if it ever got close to 35 so to get close to 40 all down hill with engine off :)
 
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