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Flag and National Anthem protests
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wyliec
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You and I will have to differ on this. Are you trying to curb my freedom of speech?:roflblack:
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SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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No, as an american i have that right. Now keep in mind i won't yell shark at the beach or fire in a movie theater because i feel
it is the wrong place to do so.
Funny!
wyliec
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I just want to explain a little further. Those statements I quoted I find upsetting, and it's not because I'm a non-veteran. Maybe you're right, there seems a greater degree for misunderstanding the way things are written.
I wasn't kidding; I did find your post humorous, as I think you intended. I'm a veteran but I don't think my opinion is any more relevant or valid or valuable because of that.
ofdave
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So the point of the kneeling and raised fist is to protest treatment on a group of people?
What have the kneelers done to help make their perceived treatment of these people get better?
Where are they in the neighborhoods, where are their contributions to organizations that can help?
Where are they-on national TV in the spotlight. And they offer no ideas except to pose for the cameras.
Where are their actions for and with the people they claim are treated badly?
Oh, and who is orchestrating these actions by the players. Do you really believe it is all coincidence?
What have the kneelers done to help make their perceived treatment of these people get better?
Where are they in the neighborhoods, where are their contributions to organizations that can help?
Where are they-on national TV in the spotlight. And they offer no ideas except to pose for the cameras.
Where are their actions for and with the people they claim are treated badly?
Oh, and who is orchestrating these actions by the players. Do you really believe it is all coincidence?
Apparently you think it is part of some conspiracy to undermine democracy or something. Please, enlighten us.
It was US Army veteran, Nate Boyer, who suggested to Kaepernick to take a knee as a sign of respect. This is their inspiring story of what can happen when people with different perspectives decide to sit down, have a conversation, and hear each other out. #ColinKaepernick #NFL #Kaepernick
https://youtu.be/I4nyaL8qmK0
(Found this on Facebook; seems to be relevant but what do I know)
https://youtu.be/I4nyaL8qmK0
(Found this on Facebook; seems to be relevant but what do I know)
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SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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so 1 vet says it is ok that means 300 million people should agree.
Is that your interpretation?
RinconRyder
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Actually, American Graffiti was 1960's, not 50's.
Pirate looks at --
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You just don't get it. I think everybody on the other side (from you) of this story totally agrees that anybody has the right to be upset by these protests. In fact protests are designed to upset the apple cart. If they don't then there is no purpose. They are staged to create dialogue on the subject and this one certainly did! Success! You have the right to be upset! You have the right to not patronize the NFL, that is your form of protest.......and if enough people join your protest, you may provoke a change in policy. The protest of the players is no more wrong than your protest of their actions! This is a free country ( though I fear some are trying to change that) so protest away! Your voice and theirs need to be heard!:clap:
JerryB
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Hi Bob,
Re: ...and I can't get two clocks in my house, to read the same time!
I have a clock in my garage that get its time from a satellite. My computers get their time the same way; as does my cell phone. All of the other clocks are 'sort of' in the same time zone.
Just how accurate do you really, really needs your clocks to be?
Jerry Baumchen
Re: ...and I can't get two clocks in my house, to read the same time!
I have a clock in my garage that get its time from a satellite. My computers get their time the same way; as does my cell phone. All of the other clocks are 'sort of' in the same time zone.
Just how accurate do you really, really needs your clocks to be?
Jerry Baumchen
JerryB
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Hi Larryjn,
Re: As an American Veteran and a Black American, who . . . I hope this will change before I move on.
I absolutely agree with you.
In the summer of 1963 I was in Berlin. I have a photo of me standing next to the Berlin Wall. I always knew that one day it would come down, I just did not expect to come down in my lifetime.
I hope, with you, that this will change before either of us moves on.
Nice post,
Jerry Baumchen
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Re: As an American Veteran and a Black American, who . . . I hope this will change before I move on.
I absolutely agree with you.
In the summer of 1963 I was in Berlin. I have a photo of me standing next to the Berlin Wall. I always knew that one day it would come down, I just did not expect to come down in my lifetime.
I hope, with you, that this will change before either of us moves on.
Nice post,
Jerry Baumchen
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SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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my interpretation is when a group of vets were to say it i might listen more then 1 individual saying it. now here is a serious question,
what will the players do when the season is over, how will they get their message out there? it will take THEIR time and THEIR money
to do so. if they were to spend the time and money of just what they make in 1 game then i may change my mind about them.
How about we discuss this 2 months after the season is over to see what happens.
As to american graffiti, yes it was based in the 60's but happy days was still the 50's and so was the thing which i watched yesterday.
Bob Denman
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:shocked: It's just a pet peeve that bugs my anal-retentive inner self... :gaah:
Bob Denman
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Al,
Anyone who believes in the principal beliefs of our Country will tell you that not standing for the presentation of the Flag, and the National Anthem; is a right that is guaranteed...
Whether or not it is bad manners: that's the issue here.
classicvw
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It's not that deep. Just think for a second and you'll get it.
classicvw
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Al,
Anyone who believes in the principal beliefs of our Country will tell you that not standing for the presentation of the Flag, and the National Anthem; is a right that is guaranteed...
Whether or not it is bad manners: that's the issue here.
Yep. They are choosing to do it during the anthem for maximum attention, which, I guess, is when anyone who has something to bitch about would choose.
BUT, if some of that attention they get is a negative reaction, those that give that negative feedback aren't wrong for expressing that.
People pay a lot of money to go to these games. And, after all, aren't sporting events entertainment? It's supposed to be fun. It's a departure from the many things in life that give us stress. We'd like to be free of problems during those 3 hours.
Carry it further- What if you went to a movie theater or Broadway play and as you're expecting the movie or play to start, a group appeared onstage and gave a political speech?
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