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Flag and National Anthem protests
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Bob Denman
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SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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well i watch mash, leave it to beaver, just watched the original thing so that makes me sort of '50's & i watch happy days and
american graffiti.
Bob Denman
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"Happy Days", and "American Graffiti"; would make you 1970's... :thumbup:
SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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made in 70's, based on the '50's
Bob Denman
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:shocked: You're getting pretty deep into "Temporal Mechanics" right now...
...and I can't get two clocks in my house, to read the same time! :banghead:
...and I can't get two clocks in my house, to read the same time! :banghead:
You had to go there with the race bating.
As an American Veteran and a Black American, who family have been in all branches of the armed forces of the country (not Coast Guard), and a few who have gave their life in service of this country and we are still called "N" by some of you. Why? I will defend the right of KKK, Nazis, and others to protest. I may not agree with them but I will support their rights to do so. (Hoping that others will see that their message is wrong.) As to the protest in the NFL, it never was or has been about the flag, anthem or the Veterans, (those who don't want to talk about the real issue of why has convince many it is about the flag, anthem and Veterans, which it is not.) it is about the way Americans have treated African Americans, the Justice system, and how some police officers, not all (my neighbor is an officer of the law and we get along very well) are allowed to just get away with murder, lying (Falsely accusing) and abuse of people. No matter their race. Most of you don't really care and to some of you it is OK. if that is the fact than say so, but don't hide behind the flag or the anthem (which most of you don't even know the words to it and what it really means). I still don't see how the Veterans got added to the mix. Most of you people don't really give a s**t about us Veterans. you talk a good game, but were you willing to sent your kids off, when the country was at war? Did you go? When members of my family and I raise our right hand we Pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States, to ensure all of it people rights are protected not some but all. With this said I will defend your Right to say and use the N word because I know that is how you feel about American who are not of you color. I hope you can educate yourselves on the history of this country and rights you have that came so easy for you.
Your post with the N word really sadden me. As Mr R. King had said, "Can We All Just Get Along", I pray we can.
I have seen many changes in my life, I hope this will change before I move on.
As an American Veteran and a Black American, who family have been in all branches of the armed forces of the country (not Coast Guard), and a few who have gave their life in service of this country and we are still called "N" by some of you. Why? I will defend the right of KKK, Nazis, and others to protest. I may not agree with them but I will support their rights to do so. (Hoping that others will see that their message is wrong.) As to the protest in the NFL, it never was or has been about the flag, anthem or the Veterans, (those who don't want to talk about the real issue of why has convince many it is about the flag, anthem and Veterans, which it is not.) it is about the way Americans have treated African Americans, the Justice system, and how some police officers, not all (my neighbor is an officer of the law and we get along very well) are allowed to just get away with murder, lying (Falsely accusing) and abuse of people. No matter their race. Most of you don't really care and to some of you it is OK. if that is the fact than say so, but don't hide behind the flag or the anthem (which most of you don't even know the words to it and what it really means). I still don't see how the Veterans got added to the mix. Most of you people don't really give a s**t about us Veterans. you talk a good game, but were you willing to sent your kids off, when the country was at war? Did you go? When members of my family and I raise our right hand we Pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States, to ensure all of it people rights are protected not some but all. With this said I will defend your Right to say and use the N word because I know that is how you feel about American who are not of you color. I hope you can educate yourselves on the history of this country and rights you have that came so easy for you.
Your post with the N word really sadden me. As Mr R. King had said, "Can We All Just Get Along", I pray we can.
I have seen many changes in my life, I hope this will change before I move on.
wyliec
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Do you actually know the ethnicity of Spectacular Spiderman? Are you saying you are better than non-veterans?
I don't think it is any of your business if someone sent their child off to war, or if any member here went. You are way more inflammatory than Spectacular Spiderman.
WylieC, I don't think he was saying that. Let's not allow this conversation to become one of personal attacks please.
SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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perhaps you missed the point of my post, if those players are allowed to do something i and apparently many others find despicable
as americans yet they are protected in doing so then would i not too be allowed to do something under the same first amendment
right?
i find what they are doing is showing no respect to the NATIONAL ANTHEM, something that represents this country and is one of the
few things that can bring all americans & future americans together for a brief time. as for the protest not being about the anthem,
flag or veterans then perhaps their protest should be done at a different time of the game not during the anthem.
p.s. i am native american & african american & i am white, WHO CARES!!
Bob Denman
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Larry,
I agree with about 99.3% of what you said... :clap::2thumbs:
But if somebody wants to protest Police mistreatment of minorities: don't you think that picking another place for it, would have been more effective?
In my mind; if you disrespect the flag by not standing for the National Anthem: your entire viewpoint has been lost in that act.
Our NFL players are ALL men with other means of promoting better relations between everybody... :2thumbs:
(Even the Purple & Green folks!
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As an example: they could host rallies and/or picnics, and invite Local Law Enforcement Officers to a "meet, greet, & eat" with the local folks.
I agree with about 99.3% of what you said... :clap::2thumbs:
But if somebody wants to protest Police mistreatment of minorities: don't you think that picking another place for it, would have been more effective?
In my mind; if you disrespect the flag by not standing for the National Anthem: your entire viewpoint has been lost in that act.
Our NFL players are ALL men with other means of promoting better relations between everybody... :2thumbs:
(Even the Purple & Green folks!
)As an example: they could host rallies and/or picnics, and invite Local Law Enforcement Officers to a "meet, greet, & eat" with the local folks.
Pirate looks at --
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Larry, thank you so much for this post. Thanks for putting into perspective what these protests are all about. Thanks for demonstrating what you and other veterans have fought for. Our rights as guaranteed by the constitution allow all of us to be heard, in a peaceful manner. We should intervene only when demonstrations become destructive. Thank you for your service to this country! I totally agree that all views should be heard, it doesn't matter if it comes from millionaire ball players, or minimum wage employees. When the Nazis demonstrate it is easy to see them for what they are, and the intelligent person easily determines that their values are despicable and hateful, and we want nothing to do with them. Just as some people on this thread have shocked me with their views, and usage of demeaning terminology, we have the right to reject that point of view, and I do so freely! That is the greatness of this country is we are free to think and believe what we want, as long as we do no harm to others!
Larry, you are a true American Patriot!:bowdown:
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But Bob, this is their stage this is where their influence can best be demonstrated. Marlon Brando could have picked a different stage to protest the treatment of Native Americans, but, the Oscars was where his point going to have the most visibility.Larry,
I agree with about 99.3% of what you said... :clap::2thumbs:
But if somebody wants to protest Police mistreatment of minorities: don't you think that picking another place for it, would have been more effective?
In my mind; if you disrespect the flag by not standing for the National Anthem: your entire viewpoint has been lost in that act.
Our NFL players are ALL men with other means of promoting better relations between everybody... :2thumbs:
(Even the Purple & Green folks!
As an example: they could host rallies and/or picnics, and invite Local Law Enforcement Officers to a "meet, greet, & eat" with the local folks.
Bob Denman
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...But when the point is lost due to "poor aim": what good was it?
Please don't misunderstand me: I believe that there have been too many tragic mistakes made... :banghead:
The players have just chosen the wrong place for their protests.
Please don't misunderstand me: I believe that there have been too many tragic mistakes made... :banghead:
The players have just chosen the wrong place for their protests.
If they get attention, and there's certainly no doubt about that, then who is to say it is the 'wrong' place to protest? You may not like it, but that's not the same thing, is it?
SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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Yes perhaps you are right but why should we be paying them to do so, they are football players so PLAY BALL!
If they really believe in what they are doing then they would have no problem pooling their money and pay for air time on a network
channel to air their opinion unless of course they don't believe in it enough to really spend THEIR time and THEIR money. I haven't
heard of them giving out any free t shirts or hats with any words of protest on them, perhaps they should print up about 500,000 to
give out in the parking lots or mail out for free.
Again I say netflix, porn & riding are my choice.
Bob Denman
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:banghead: If the message is being lost due to folks questioning their Patriotism: yeah... it's the wrong place for it.
I believe they are paid by the season or the game, not by the hour. And, in any case, you're not their employer, right, so you don't really have any standing in this dispute at all.
Bob Denman
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But as a fan: he has the right to be offended by their actions...:thumbup:
Absolutely! Freedom of choice I think is alive and well.
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