Finally have to replace a Vredestein rear tire.

[redrazor]

opcorn: The thing that surprised and amazed me in the OP's opening statement was: HOW THE HECK DID YOU PUT 36,000 MILES ON A 2 YEAR OLD SPYDER!?!! :chat:

 

[Knizar]

opcorn: The thing that surprised and amazed me in the OP's opening statement was: HOW THE HECK DID YOU PUT 36,000 MILES ON A 2 YEAR OLD SPYDER!?!! :chat:

Climate, TN and AZ, actually only 31K on the 2021, with 5K on their previous spyder. I also wondered about that. Would be a milestone for me here in MN.

 

[PW2013STL]

opcorn: The thing that surprised and amazed me in the OP's opening statement was: HOW THE HECK DID YOU PUT 36,000 MILES ON A 2 YEAR OLD SPYDER!?!! :chat:

We picked her sea to sky up just after labor day in 2021. It was a dealer demo and had 3,600 miles on it. It currently has just under 36,000 miles on it. My 2020 RT purchased new in June of 2020 with 6 miles on it currently has just over 58,000 miles.
We like to ride and living in Apache Junction, AZ from November to May, and Nashville, TN the rest of the year we have no down time.

 

[EdMat]

opcorn: The thing that surprised and amazed me in the OP's opening statement was: HOW THE HECK DID YOU PUT 36,000 MILES ON A 2 YEAR OLD SPYDER!?!! :chat:

Some folks actually buy them to ride. :2thumbs:

 

[Little Blue]

Love to Ryde

:chat:...I might add some people really 'Love to Ryde'. I have enjoyed all my 'Ryde Times' on my Spyder. Getting older my saddle time has been somewhat difficult.

Still ryding for the 'wind therapy program'.

Stay Healthy. ....:thumbup:

 

[CloverHillCrawler]

Some folks actually buy them to ride. :2thumbs:

This here, other than when salt is on the road it is my daily driver hot or cold. Almost 18k after less than 2 years of ownership.

I have had the Quatrac's on for a little over 10k now and love the traction on them especially in wet weather.

They gave me great traction when I was going through storms last July on my Cherohala, Dragon, and BRP ride.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

This here, other than when salt is on the road it is my daily driver hot or cold. Almost 18k after less than 2 years of ownership.

I have had the Quatrac's on for a little over 10k now and love the traction on them especially in wet weather.

They gave me great traction when I was going through storms last July on my Cherohala, Dragon, and BRP ride.

Thank you for getting BACK ON TOPIC ......Mike :thumbup:

 

[EdMat]

This here, other than when salt is on the road it is my daily driver hot or cold. Almost 18k after less than 2 years of ownership.

I have had the Quatrac's on for a little over 10k now and love the traction on them especially in wet weather.

They gave me great traction when I was going through storms last July on my Cherohala, Dragon, and BRP ride.

I could not agree more.

 

[missouriboy]

Some folks actually buy them to ride. :2thumbs:

Just rolled up 114K miles on my 2015. 1280 miles per month average! :yes:

 

[Peteoz]

That’s the trouble with recommending tyres as lasting x miles or performing well under certain conditions.

Take the Kuhmo Ecsta for example. I had zero wet weather issues out here in Oz, and neither did anyone I spoke to, but in the US, many claim they are poor in the wet, and others claim there is no issue in the wet (road surfaces???) . Riding methods, pressures, road surface etc all play a part. The only way you can really compare them, apples for apples, is under controlled conditions for each set of circumstances, and that is never going to happen.

The “recommendations” on here are fabulous, and are a great baseline for those looking to move from the Kenda, but bear in mind they are simply that…… recommendations by others…….and may not work for your particular set of circumstances, in which case you will have to bite the bullet and change brands.

Pete

 

[BajaRon]

That’s the trouble with recommending tyres as lasting x miles or performing well under certain conditions.

Take the Kuhmo Ecsta for example. I had zero wet weather issues out here in Oz, and neither did anyone I spoke to, but in the US, many claim they are poor in the wet, and others claim there is no issue in the wet (road surfaces???) . Riding methods, pressures, road surface etc all play a part. The only way you can really compare them, apples for apples, is under controlled conditions for each set of circumstances, and that is never going to happen.

The “recommendations” on here are fabulous, and are a great baseline for those looking to move from the Kenda, but bear in mind they are simply that…… recommendations by others…….and may not work for your particular set of circumstances, in which case you will have to bite the bullet and change brands.

Pete

We have replaced several Kumo Esca tires with the General Altimax and Veredistein tires. Everyone, so far, has reported improved traction. There are not tire experts. But they are high mileage riders.

What I have found to be most problematic is that few have had opportunity to run head-to-head tire comparisons. They recommend what they like. However, if you don't know how good another tire is. The one you have may suit you just fine. I was given high recommendations on the Falken ZE-912. I replaced my Toyo TR1 with it. I loved the Toyo. But they discontinued it.

I found the Falken to be marginal in dry and atrocious in wet. I was able to spin the rear tire easily in any conditions. Something I was not able to do with the Toyo. The Falken is greasy in the wet. I am glad I didn't put them on the front. Other Falken's might do better. I don't even know if there is another Falken in the size needed.

I personally think it is a mistake to place tire wear at the top of the list for the Spyder. You may be doing so by sacrificing much more important aspects of a tire.

Though not an end all. I like the Tire Rack testing as at least a baseline comparison, tire to tire. I think it a good place to start. And certainly gives information that I don't think anyone else has the time, ability, or inclination to do.

I would love to find a Performance Summer Tire that did not go greasy in colder weather. I am not saying there isn't one. However, summer performance tires are well know for this cold weather tendency. Hence, the category of 'Summer'. In warm to hot weather they are the gold standard. But I ride in cold weather too. It doesn't matter what the temperature is when you slide off the road. It all hurts the same. I'll give up a bit of warm weather performance for good performance in all conditions.

Everything in this life is a trade-off. What is 'Best' depends on where you place your priorities. A one trick pony is always going to be best at what he does. But as soon as you need 2 tricks. You're in big trouble.

Have a Merry Christmas!

 

[Peteoz]

Yep, yep, yep……..that’s pretty much what I was trying to say, Ron:2thumbs: ……the recommendations are based on the experience of others, under unknown riding styles and conditions. Unfortunately, you won’t know if they suit YOU until you have tried them for yourself:2thumbs:

A fairly good example is on my own ‘21 RT…..I had them mount Kenda Kanines at sale time, and they have been performing flawlessly in wet and dry. No twitchyness, no balance issues, nothing. They work perfectly for me, to the point where I am not looking to replace them with something like Kuhmos. Hard to figure…..just lucky, I guess.

AND PLEASE…..CAN NO ONE TAKE THIS DOWN A KENDA BASHING RATHOLE…..I AM ONLY EXPRESSING MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

Pete

 

[BajaRon]

Yep, yep, yep……..that’s pretty much what I was trying to say, Ron:2thumbs: ……the recommendations are based on the experience of others, under unknown riding styles and conditions. Unfortunately, you won’t know if they suit YOU until you have tried them for yourself:2thumbs:

A fairly good example is on my own ‘21 RT…..I had them mount Kenda Kanines at sale time, and they have been performing flawlessly in wet and dry. No twitchyness, no balance issues, nothing. They work perfectly for me, to the point where I am not looking to replace them with something like Kuhmos. Hard to figure…..just lucky, I guess.

Pete

I was trying to agree with you!:thumbup: If I failed, I apologize. Mine was intended to be just another way of saying the same thing.

I am glad to hear your feedback on the Kanines. Though I'd like to know how you came by them. I've been trying to buy a set since February of 2020!

Have a Great Christmas!

 

[Peteoz]

I was trying to agree with you!:thumbup: If I failed, I apologize. Mine was intended to be just another way of saying the same thing.

I am glad to hear your feedback on the Kanines. Though I'd like to know how you came by them. I've been trying to buy a set since February of 2020!

Have a Great Christmas!

Absolutely, no issue Ron. My turn to apologise if you read my post as anything other than agreeing with YOU. That wasn’t my intent at all. We are on the same page.

Re the Kanines, I simply contacted my tyre place, asked if they could get Kanines and they said yes. Apparently they were the last set at their supplier (sole Australian supplier). That was in mid ‘21. We have seen none out here since, either.

Merry Christmas to you too……although we are already into Boxing Day out here.:thumbup:

Pete

 

[Cobwebs]

Re the Kanines, I simply contacted my tyre place, asked if they could get Kanines and they said yes. Apparently they were the last set at their supplier (sole Australian supplier). That was in mid ‘21. We have seen none out here since, either.
Pete

Can't verify these guys Pete but worth a try if your looking.
https://www.ctapowersports.com.au/products.php?p=15992

 

[Peteoz]

Can't verify these guys Pete but worth a try if your looking.
https://www.ctapowersports.com.au/products.php?p=15992

Hahaha…….thanks Cobwebs. I CAN verify those guys. They are the “sole supplier” I mentioned above. I retract my earlier comment, Ron. We have Kenda Kanines in Oz now :thumbup: Hopefully you should get some soon. Thanks again Cobwebs.

 

[troop]

Abysmal is when you twist the throttle on a warm day and dry black top and the rear tire just spins with little forward thrust. This is what hard rubber station wagon tires do...but they do last longer even though they do not grip well.
Not just an opinion. Back to back testing albeit on two different spyders. But the difference was not minor.

The Yokohama has a 300 treadwear rating, the Vredestein's are 400. Not sure in what world a 400 rated treadwear tire would be considered hard rubber? Hell, it has a snow flake rating. Being in Houston, the 300 tire would be a good choice. Up here in the great white north, where riding in the 30*s is not uncommon, the Vredestein would likely be a better choice.

Vredestein:
Size: 205/60R15
Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 91V
UTQG: 400 A A
Mile. War.: 55,000 Mile

Yokohama:
Size: 205/55R15
Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 88V
UTQG: 300 AA A
Mile. War.: None