F3 S- Motor Seize

[Dudley]

:agree:....AND you were told the motor " SEIZED " during the test ride.......IMHO and experience when that happens ...the MOTOR stops all movement....period......The pistons adhere to the cylinder walls.................and I'm thinking " 0 " oil.......Glad they are taking care of it.....but I doubt anyone there is willing to take a polygraph on this one.........Mike :thumbup:[/QUOTE


That's my first and only thought, and I am sticking to it!

 

[XB12X]

I watched my dealer uncrate and assemble my F3-S. All of the fluids were already topped off by the factory. Even a little fuel was in the gas tank. If the dealer didn't check the oil properly they could have overfilled it, since the dry sump registers a low level until the engine is warmed up and idled for a while.

Would an engine slightly overfilled with oil have such an effect?

 

[OJ UK]

Would an engine slightly overfilled with oil have such an effect?

Almost certainly no. The results of overfilling the engine with oil are generally blown oil seals and air boxes
full of oil.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

REALLY !!!!

I watched my dealer uncrate and assemble my F3-S. All of the fluids were already topped off by the factory. Even a little fuel was in the gas tank. If the dealer didn't check the oil properly they could have overfilled it, since the dry sump registers a low level until the engine is warmed up and idled for a while.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around any vehicle being shipped with fluids in the vehicle ESPECIALLY .....GAS !!!! :yikes::yikes::yikes:

 

[jcthorne]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around any vehicle being shipped with fluids in the vehicle ESPECIALLY .....GAS !!!! :yikes::yikes::yikes:

Not sure why you feel this way. All cars, even those shipped by ocean freight have all fluids, including gas and are in running order when they leave the factory. I am sure there are a few exceptions like kit cars etc but for the most part this is commonplace.

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: Don't they start them up, and drive them off the transports?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

ok

Not sure why you feel this way. All cars, even those shipped by ocean freight have all fluids, including gas and are in running order when they leave the factory. I am sure there are a few exceptions like kit cars etc but for the most part this is commonplace.

Yes I see your point on this...........My thinking was the Spyder is un-assembled ....secured to a pallet...and then wrapped pretty tight .????....Mike :thumbup:

 

[AZF3S]

Now some good news. Dealership called this morning and identical F3S is ready for pick up. Ran down over lunch and signed the new paperwork, picked up the keys and will go back later to ride it home....YES, it was hard to leave it there, but being single, didn't have anyone to drive my car back until later.

Excited....wind therapy quickly approaching.

 

[billybovine]

Yes I see your point on this...........My thinking was the Spyder is un-assembled ....secured to a pallet...and then wrapped pretty tight .????....Mike :thumbup:

When I was at the factory they were building the 2014's so no F3's. Each one was tested on a dyno like test station. Started and run through the gears. Lights and other stuff tested as well. They had the front wheels on but no front trunk or fenders. So they had to have all the fluids in at that time. I did not see the crating part but the front wheels come back off and the other dealer installed parts are put in the crate.

 

[Bob Denman]

Now some good news. Dealership called this morning and identical F3S is ready for pick up. Ran down over lunch and signed the new paperwork, picked up the keys and will go back later to ride it home....YES, it was hard to leave it there, but being single, didn't have anyone to drive my car back until later.

Excited....wind therapy quickly approaching.

That's GREAT news!!:yes::yes::yes:
Here's to hoping that "Love IS better; the second time around." :cheers: :thumbup:

 

[AZF3S]

Not sure how "wet" they are after testing and whether anything is drained before crating. I know in the company I work for (propulsion engines and APUs for major aerospace companies, the units are drained (very well I might add), prior to shipping. Freight companies do not like units full of such things as oil and jet fuel.

 

[Recon]

Was your dealer a Ride Now Motorsports? I am sure everyone would like to know here in AZ. They do not have the best reputation but are a monopoly in this part of the world with 36+ dealerships. BRP and not the dealer would have made this decision to replace anyway. I do not think that a crate build would involve anything internal such as the engine so it most likely was the engine build.

Jack

I would tend to believe your theory on Ride Not; this is like deja vu all over again to me, LOL I bought a 2010 at a Ride Not in Ocala,FL and got about 2 miles before the oil exploded out the bottom of the engine and covered the windshield of my wifes car who was 100 feet behind me. I had it trucked back to the dealer and they wanted to fix the engine......wife went ballistic at them and they finally gave us a new Spyder. End of the story is that they were using this as a demo and later we talked to someone who had ridden it and said it wouldnt shift gears so he just rode it in 1st gear to about 60 - 70 mph. they sold it to me as being new. im on my 4th Spyder and needless to say none of the last 3 have been bought from that dealer

 

[AZF3S]

I got the "new" F3 home this afternoon....what a kick. It's new but I'm really enjoying it.

thanks to all contributing to this thread.

 

[CanAmChris]

I got the "new" F3 home this afternoon....what a kick. It's new but I'm really enjoying it.

thanks to all contributing to this thread.

Damn glad you got the fastest color. I am happy it worked out. Enjoy it!

 

[AZF3S]

Went in and ordered a windshield and brake rod for Ufit. Spoke with one of the salesmen I'd worked with. This F3 is still in the shop, awaiting a new engine from BRP. Told me there was a blockage in an oil passage, resulting in failure of internals. Didn't elaborate any further.

 

[Trevor G]

I would tend to believe your theory on Ride Not; this is like deja vu all over again to me, LOL I bought a 2010 at a Ride Not in Ocala,FL and got about 2 miles before the oil exploded out the bottom of the engine and covered the windshield of my wifes car who was 100 feet behind me. I had it trucked back to the dealer and they wanted to fix the engine......wife went ballistic at them and they finally gave us a new Spyder. End of the story is that they were using this as a demo and later we talked to someone who had ridden it and said it wouldnt shift gears so he just rode it in 1st gear to about 60 - 70 mph. they sold it to me as being new. im on my 4th Spyder and needless to say none of the last 3 have been bought from that dealer

They must have changed their test ride policy shortly after that. Ride Now insist that none of their 37 or 38 stores provide test or demo rides of any sort, to anyone.

 

[AZF3S]

The engine failure was caused by oil starvation. Engine was replaced by BRP and dealer was to ship blown engine straight to Rotax. Service advisor showed me a few pics. In addition to pics of metal chips etc, one was very interesting. Looking into end of oil filter, the inside diameter had collapsed, almost like caused by a vacuum.


THE NEW NIGHTMARE
I wish i had had done as much research on the dealer as I did on the F3. Had to order the Blue Ridge windshield and brake extension for u-fit. Apparently RideNow maintains approximately zero inventory on accessories. When parts arrived, I decided to just have them install them. And the nightmares began. When finally called and told work was complete, my girlfriend took me to the dealer where I was told there was a bolt missing for the windshield and they'd have it ready in 30 minutes.

When I got home I'm looking over the windshield and find the side mounts are NOT firmly attached. If any of you know this to be normal, let me know. Otherwise, ***** hits the fan Tuesday when Service Dept opens

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

WELL - WELL

The engine failure was caused by oil starvation. Engine was replaced by BRP and dealer was to ship blown engine straight to Rotax. Service advisor showed me a few pics. In addition to pics of metal chips etc, one was very interesting. Looking into end of oil filter, the inside diameter had collapsed, almost like caused by a vacuum.


THE NEW NIGHTMARE
I wish i had had done as much research on the dealer as I did on the F3. Had to order the Blue Ridge windshield and brake extension for u-fit. Apparently RideNow maintains approximately zero inventory on accessories. When parts arrived, I decided to just have them install them. And the nightmares began. When finally called and told work was complete, my girlfriend took me to the dealer where I was told there was a bolt missing for the windshield and they'd have it ready in 30 minutes.

When I got home I'm looking over the windshield and find the side mounts are NOT firmly attached. If any of you know this to be normal, let me know. Otherwise, ***** hits the fan Tuesday when Service Dept opens

:yikes::yikes::yikes:........I'll stick by my first assessment on this one........DEALER DID'NT PUT OIL IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE....You have survived so far !!!!...... How many times do you think this is going to happen.......................jmho, Mike :lecturef_smilie:

 

[Pampurrs]

The engine failure was caused by oil starvation. Engine was replaced by BRP and dealer was to ship blown engine straight to Rotax. Service advisor showed me a few pics. In addition to pics of metal chips etc, one was very interesting. Looking into end of oil filter, the inside diameter had collapsed, almost like caused by a vacuum.


THE NEW NIGHTMARE
I wish i had had done as much research on the dealer as I did on the F3. Had to order the Blue Ridge windshield and brake extension for u-fit. Apparently RideNow maintains approximately zero inventory on accessories. When parts arrived, I decided to just have them install them. And the nightmares began. When finally called and told work was complete, my girlfriend took me to the dealer where I was told there was a bolt missing for the windshield and they'd have it ready in 30 minutes.

When I got home I'm looking over the windshield and find the side mounts are NOT firmly attached. If any of you know this to be normal, let me know. Otherwise, ***** hits the fan Tuesday when Service Dept opens

The thing that amazes me is that Ride Now boasts about being a PLATINUM Level Spyder service center. I assume that their techs would have had to go through extensive training and testing to acheive that level.:dontknow:

Pam

 

[Xyzzy]

The engine failure was caused by oil starvation. Engine was replaced by BRP and dealer was to ship blown engine straight to Rotax. Service advisor showed me a few pics. In addition to pics of metal chips etc, one was very interesting. Looking into end of oil filter, the inside diameter had collapsed, almost like caused by a vacuum.

Those filters don't collapse easily.

Check out this thread about the KTM SD and a collapsed filter: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2015-ktm-superduke-1290-oil-filter-fail.1060349/

Dunno if that helps any.