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Does Your Horn Sound Off Without Turing On The Ignition?

gbyoung2

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I ask that because mine does. I always assumed that it wouldn’t and never tested it previously to see. I installed (Harbor Freight) air horns on my 2022 Scout and just used the existing horn leads to trigger a separate relay, that in turn powered the compressor for the horns. After installation, I activated the ignition (because I thought I had to) and hit the button and they worked. I never tried them without turning on the ignition first. All my other bikes, and every 2-wheeler I have ever ridden, the ignition has to be on for the horns to work.

I asked another inmate with a 2022 Scout to check to see if their horn works the same way, and it does. Strange arrangement but guess it’s just the nature of the beast.
 
Yes, it does, and so does everyone else's horn if they work correctly and as required by Law in your Country, my Country, and by International Agreements in many (if not most) other Countries - and IIRC, this has been the case for at least a couple of decades now. nojoke

Your horn, hazard lights/warning blinkers, and brake lights are all required to work even if the ignition is off, so if yours is working like that, your Spyder is working as it should to be street legal! :thumbup:
 
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Yes, it does, and so does everyone else's horn if they work correctly and as required by Law in your Country, my Country, and by International Agreements in many (if not most) other Countries - and IIRC, this has been the case for at least a couple of decades now. nojoke

Your horn, hazard lights/warning blinkers, and brake lights are all required to work even if the ignition is off, so if yours is working like that, your Spyder is working as it should to be street legal! :thumbup:

Hazard lights I agree with, but I don't believe that's the case here with horns on bikes. Out of curiosity, I will stop in a couple of bike dealership and do a random horn test to see if the horns sound off with the ignition is off.
 
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Hazard lights I agree with, but I don't believe that's the case here with horns on bikes. Out of curiosity, I will stop in a couple of bike dealership and do a random horn test to see if the horns sound off with the ignition is off.

Take Peters word for it!
He speaks the truth

If you like getting attention at a dealer, HONK away!
 
I believe it’s a safety issue. If your engine cuts out and your Brakes are affected, you can at least still warn other road users that your vehicle is still moving and that you may run into them.
 
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Hazard lights I agree with, but I don't believe that's the case here with horns on bikes. Out of curiosity, I will stop in a couple of bike dealership and do a random horn test to see if the horns sound off with the ignition is off.

Why would it be any different than an automobile? Horns are for emergencies.
 
I asked that same question on the Adventure Rider's Forum, and these are a sampling of bikes that came back whose horns do not work with the ignition is off:

No horn with ignition off:
2019 Husqvarna 701E
2007 Vstrom 650
2005 KTM 400 EXC
1974 BMW R90/6
1989 Honda Transalp
1974 Honda CB350
1974 Honda CB500

With the exception of the race bikes in my list of bikes because they (obviously) have no horns (and the Ryker), none of their horns worked with the ignition off. Also, interesting that a number of the Rykers sold in this (and maybe other countries) had no Hazard Lights installed from the git-go. Mine certainly didn't until I added the aftermarket kit from Slingmods. How did that happen if it was a government mandated thing?

I didn't ask the question on ADV, but none of my bikes that have/had Hazard Light capability worked with the ignition off, ditto that with the brake light.

And of course, my 2005 Dodge RAM 1500, 2010 Honda CR-V brake, horn, and hazard lights work with the ignition OFF, as did several other 4-wheelers we've had over the years. I have a feeling that different types of vehicles are controlled by a different set of rules.

FWIW - I wasn't trying to start a pi$$in' contest here. This was just something I ran across by accident and was curious if it was a fluke, or a problem with the machine. It appears that BRP plays by a different set of guidelines depending on the machine they happen to be making at the time, or where they're headed once they leave the factory.
 
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This question has been bugging me, so I just got back from the garage.
The key for my 2024 Spyder RT was in my pocket.

Hazard lights work.
Horn works (and is very LOUD inside a closed garage).
 
I reckon BRP/Can Am did some 'weasel wording' to get around the need for Hazard Lights on Rykers in North America, but I do know that here in Oz, and I believe also in Europe, Spyders & Rykers have mandated specs that are different to those covering North America for Turn Indicators & Reversing Lights (& likely headlights/fog lights too!) - if you wish, you can check out the AU/EU spec 'elephant ear indicators' and 'whale tail reversing light' monstrosities on the Can Am Parts Fiche; but I reckon it was about the early 70's that the International Agreements that covered the operation of Horns & Hazards, Brake Lights etc. hit the streets; and since around then, with very few exceptions, all the 'street legal' motorcycles I've ridden &/or the majority of cars/trucks/Heavy Vehicles that I've driven (in a number of countries around the World, including a few postings to the US) have had all those working with the ignition off! Certainly, all my Honda motorcycles (and there's been a few since the early '70's, both here in Oz & o/seas... ;) ) have had the 'still work with the ignition off' Horns, Hazards, and Brake lights... :rolleyes:

I believe there were some changes made to some of the International Agreements covering, amongst other things, 'The installation and operation of Horns and other Auditory Warning Devices' made back in the early 2000's, (altho the changes I most recall were particularly applicable to cater for the growing number of quieter cars, specifying making noises so that they couldn't silently sneak up on people); but like I mentioned above, I reckon it was the early 70's that Horns & the requirement to be able to sound them without the ignition on first became a listed requirement. However, if some vehicles/bikes without have sneaked thru, it wouldn't be the first time a Country or possibly even one or more individual car manufacturers 'theoretically' signed on to one/some of these agreements, and then were... errrm, let's just say 'less than stringent' in applying all the terms of the agreements!! :banghead: A good example - the US is 'officially' one of the signatories to the Metre Convention Treaty, which basically calls for the US to use the Metric System, but... we all know how well that's been enacted, don't we?! :rolleyes: And with further regard to motor vehicles, there's a few other similar examples that readily come to mind - VW, Audi, (and more) with their 'compliance' to exhaust emission standards for instance... :shocked:

Still, I think you'll find that these days, it's probably 'more common' to find vehicles/bikes with Horns, Hazards, and Brake Lights that work with the ignition OFF than it is the other way around, even if it's not something that many of us usually notice or have gone out of our way to check for in the past... After all, it's not really something too many are likely to check on &/or let be a deal-breaker if it doesn't work the way they'd prefer, is it?! :dontknow:
 
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IIRC, the horn on my 1984 Yamaha RZ-350 does not work with the key off, and it has no hazard light function at all.
Also, I don't think any of my other previous bikes had that function. My 2015 F3S does. I jumped the first time I bumped the horn button when working on it. ;)
 
I asked that same question on the Adventure Rider's Forum, and these are a sampling of bikes that came back whose horns do not work with the ignition is off:

No horn with ignition off:
2019 Husqvarna 701E
2007 Vstrom 650
2005 KTM 400 EXC
1974 BMW R90/6
1989 Honda Transalp
1974 Honda CB350
1974 Honda CB500

With the exception of the race bikes in my list of bikes because they (obviously) have no horns (and the Ryker), none of their horns worked with the ignition off. Also, interesting that a number of the Rykers sold in this (and maybe other countries) had no Hazard Lights installed from the git-go. Mine certainly didn't until I added the aftermarket kit from Slingmods. How did that happen if it was a government mandated thing?

I didn't ask the question on ADV, but none of my bikes that have/had Hazard Light capability worked with the ignition off, ditto that with the brake light.

And of course, my 2005 Dodge RAM 1500, 2010 Honda CR-V brake, horn, and hazard lights work with the ignition OFF, as did several other 4-wheelers we've had over the years. I have a feeling that different types of vehicles are controlled by a different set of rules.

FWIW - I wasn't trying to start a pi$$in' contest here. This was just something I ran across by accident and was curious if it was a fluke, or a problem with the machine. It appears that BRP plays by a different set of guidelines depending on the machine they happen to be making at the time, or where they're headed once they leave the factory.

Several more NO MC honking from ADV:
2020 Suzuki Burgman 400
2021 Kawasaki Versys 650
2024 Honda Goldwing

These are all late models, so definitely different requirements. Curious to see how BRP's new EV bike treats the regs. :dontknow:
 
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